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strawberryroad · 10-02-2007, 10:07 AM

First of all.. great to see someone take some real iniaitive. however I have a couple of gripes. and hear me out, as people can disagree yet still have a meaningful conversation

1. Leroi had more than 4 starts.. he came into the BC Mile on a 6 race win streak. he just had 4 starts in america.

2. Ghostzapper was very fragile horse. it's why he missed the entire triple crown. The same thing would have been true with premium tap if he would have won last year.

3. The main concen.. is that you (and us as a whole for that matter) a fan, with no financial intrest at stake are telling people not to make financial decisions that would change the rest of their lives.

Look no farther than Super Frolic. he was a 7 YO horse who was supposed to retire at the end of the year. now he's gone and the owners get nothing. Yet no one cries a tear fort hem.. we mention it and move on.

If you owned Street Sense.. could you honestly turn down 40 plus million dollars for the horse at the end of the year? I will be honest and say I couldn't do it. Now.. after if I came across another special horse like that.. maybe. just maybe. but at the same time, no one is going to send compensation money if he gets hurt and can't go to stud.

No.. the problem we have is that the economics in racing has not caught up with he economics in breeding. SS has won everything he could possibly win this year and hasn't cracked 3 million in earnings for the year (I don't think.. if so not by much). Standing at stud for about 75k next year.. which is where he will be around give or take.. he will damn near double that amount.

No. Our problem in horse racing is that our "stallion making races" aren't worth a damn (relatively speaking) financially. New york's most important race int he older division year in and year out is the met mile.. and it's for what.. 600k? That might have been a lot 15 years ago. The cash call mile, a what.. 3 year old race, and a grade 2 out in cali is a million dollar race.

What I'm getting at is, I promise you, the second it's financially fiesable to stay in training, horses will stay in training. another problem we have is that uS based horses wont' travel to where the money is and all of our horses are dirt, and all the rEAL money is on turf.

You want to talk about owners keeping their horses in training? Look at Romanti owned by Godolphin. He's 5, will be 6 next year, has won 3 grade 1's already, and Godolphin has already confirmed he will be back next year. when you can race in the Melbourne Cup, the Ark,t he Hong Kong Gold Cup, the Sheema Classic, the Duty Free and the BC Turf or mile.. plus various other races across the world over a million dollars, it's (gasp) actually financially fiesable to race isntead of go to the shed!

the problem is not the graded stakes system.. it's needed and it's been around for over a half a century in the world as a whole.

10-02-2007, 10:07 AM	#4 (permalink)
strawberryroad Status: Optional Claimer Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 100	First of all.. great to see someone take some real iniaitive. however I have a couple of gripes. and hear me out, as people can disagree yet still have a meaningful conversation 1. Leroi had more than 4 starts.. he came into the BC Mile on a 6 race win streak. he just had 4 starts in america. 2. Ghostzapper was very fragile horse. it's why he missed the entire triple crown. The same thing would have been true with premium tap if he would have won last year. 3. The main concen.. is that you (and us as a whole for that matter) a fan, with no financial intrest at stake are telling people not to make financial decisions that would change the rest of their lives. Look no farther than Super Frolic. he was a 7 YO horse who was supposed to retire at the end of the year. now he's gone and the owners get nothing. Yet no one cries a tear fort hem.. we mention it and move on. If you owned Street Sense.. could you honestly turn down 40 plus million dollars for the horse at the end of the year? I will be honest and say I couldn't do it. Now.. after if I came across another special horse like that.. maybe. just maybe. but at the same time, no one is going to send compensation money if he gets hurt and can't go to stud. No.. the problem we have is that the economics in racing has not caught up with he economics in breeding. SS has won everything he could possibly win this year and hasn't cracked 3 million in earnings for the year (I don't think.. if so not by much). Standing at stud for about 75k next year.. which is where he will be around give or take.. he will damn near double that amount. No. Our problem in horse racing is that our "stallion making races" aren't worth a damn (relatively speaking) financially. New york's most important race int he older division year in and year out is the met mile.. and it's for what.. 600k? That might have been a lot 15 years ago. The cash call mile, a what.. 3 year old race, and a grade 2 out in cali is a million dollar race. What I'm getting at is, I promise you, the second it's financially fiesable to stay in training, horses will stay in training. another problem we have is that uS based horses wont' travel to where the money is and all of our horses are dirt, and all the rEAL money is on turf. You want to talk about owners keeping their horses in training? Look at Romanti owned by Godolphin. He's 5, will be 6 next year, has won 3 grade 1's already, and Godolphin has already confirmed he will be back next year. when you can race in the Melbourne Cup, the Ark,t he Hong Kong Gold Cup, the Sheema Classic, the Duty Free and the BC Turf or mile.. plus various other races across the world over a million dollars, it's (gasp) actually financially fiesable to race isntead of go to the shed! the problem is not the graded stakes system.. it's needed and it's been around for over a half a century in the world as a whole.