No terrorist attacks in 7yrs

[Breakage]

Do they like us all of a sudden?

How many terroist attacks did the US endure under Willy with little to no recourse-
first WTC attack comes to mind,
attack on USS Kohl comes to mind,

annihilation in Mogadishu comes to mind.

[alysheba88]

None of them as deadly as 9-11 not even close.

Shameful he allowed it to happen.

[Breakage]

I wonder if the attacks would have continued to escalate to the 9/11 attack had their been any recourse to the dozen or so AlQadea attacks pre 9/11.

Things that make you go hmm,

BTW I agree, he should never have let it happen, besides ENRON, 9/11-100% at the feet of slick willy,
both largely took place under his helm and he was completely ineffectual.

or I am supposed to believe Bush was reponsible 21 months in office,
while Willy was there for the previous 4 or 5 attacks and the 96 months preceeding it.

[alysheba88]

Originally Posted by Breakage

I wonder if the attacks would have continued to escalate to the 9/11 attack had their been any recourse to the dozen or so AlQadea attacks pre 9/11.

Things that make you go hmm,

BTW I agree, he should never have let it happen, besides ENRON, 9/11-100% at the feet of slick willy,
both largely took place under his helm and he was completely ineffectual.

or I am supposed to believe Bush was reponsible 21 months in office,
while Willy was there for the previous 4 or 5 attacks and the 96 months preceeding it.

We will never know. If it had been prevented would something worse have happened later? Dont know that either. All we can do is speculate. But hard for me to give Bush credit for war on terror based on what he did before and after 9-11.

[mfactor]

Originally Posted by alysheba88

None of them as deadly as 9-11 not even close.

Shameful he allowed it to happen.

Who Clinton?

[Clay13]

Originally Posted by Breakage

Do they like us all of a sudden?

How many terroist attacks did the US endure under Willy with little to no recourse-
first WTC attack comes to mind,
attack on USS Kohl comes to mind,

annihilation in Mogadishu comes to mind.

Who was president when 9-11 happen???????


Who's daddy sent troups into war in desert storm?????

[petespocketfull]

Oct. 12, 2000 - A terrorist bomb damages the destroyer USS Cole in the port of Aden, Yemen, killing 17 sailors and injuring 39.

Aug. 7, 1998 - Terrorist bombs destroy the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. In Nairobi, 12 Americans are among the 291 killed, and over 5,000 are wounded, including 6 Americans. In Dar es Salaam, one U.S. citizen is wounded among the 10 killed and 77 injured.

In response, on August 20 the United States attacked targets in Afghanistan and Sudan with over 75 cruise missiles fired from Navy ships in the Arabian and Red seas. About 60 Tomahawk cruise missiles were fired from warships in the Arabian Sea. Most struck six separate targets in a camp near Khost, Afghanistan. Simultaneously, about 20 cruise missiles were fired from U.S. ships in the Red Sea striking a factory in Khartoum, Sudan, which was suspected of producing components for making chemical weapons.

June 21, 1998 - Rocket-propelled grenades explode near the U.S. embassy in Beirut.

June 25, 1996 - A bomb aboard a fuel truck explodes outside a U.S. air force installation in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. 19 U.S. military personnel are killed in the Khubar Towers housing facility, and 515 are wounded, including 240 Americans.

Nov. 13, 1995 - A car-bomb in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia kills seven people, five of them American military and civilian advisers for National Guard training. The "Tigers of the Gulf," "Islamist Movement for Change," and "Fighting Advocates of God" claim responsibility.

February 1993 - A bomb in a van explodes in the underground parking garage in New York's World Trade Center, killing six people and wounding 1,042.

[alysheba88]

Originally Posted by mfactor

Who Clinton?

I believe Bush was the President. And I also believe he received several specific warnings in the summer months leading up to

[mfactor]

Originally Posted by alysheba88

I believe Bush was the President. And I also believe he received several specific warnings in the summer months leading up to

In 1993, the first World Trade Center bombing killed six people.

In 1998, the bombing of two U.S. embassies in Africa killed 224.

Both were the work of al-Qaida and bin Laden, who in 1998 declared holy war on America, making him arguably the most wanted man in the world.

In 1998, President Clinton announced, “We will use all the means at our disposal to bring those responsible to justice, no matter what or how long it takes.” INTERACTIVE





NBC News has obtained, exclusively, extraordinary secret video, shot by the U.S. government. It illustrates an enormous opportunity the Clinton administration had to kill or capture bin Laden. Critics call it a missed opportunity.

In the fall of 2000, in Afghanistan, unmanned, unarmed spy planes called Predators flew over known al-Qaida training camps. The pictures that were transmitted live to CIA headquarters show al-Qaida terrorists firing at targets, conducting military drills and then scattering on cue through the desert.

Also, that fall, the Predator captured even more extraordinary pictures — a tall figure in flowing white robes. Many intelligence analysts believed then and now it is bin Laden.

Why does U.S. intelligence believe it was bin Laden? NBC showed the video to William Arkin, a former intelligence officer and now military analyst for NBC. “You see a tall man…. You see him surrounded by or at least protected by a group of guards.”

Bin Laden is 6 foot 5. The man in the video clearly towers over those around him and seems to be treated with great deference.

‘It’s dynamite. It’s putting together all of the pieces, and that doesn’t happen every day.’



Another clue: The video was shot at Tarnak Farm, the walled compound where bin Laden is known to live. The layout of the buildings in the Predator video perfectly matches secret U.S. intelligence photos and diagrams of Tarnak Farm obtained by NBC.

“It’s dynamite. It’s putting together all of the pieces, and that doesn’t happen every day.… I guess you could say we’ve done it once, and this is it,” Arkin added.

The tape proves the Clinton administration was aggressively tracking al-Qaida a year before 9/11. But that also raises one enormous question: If the U.S. government had bin Laden and the camps in its sights in real time, why was no action taken against them?

“We were not prepared to take the military action necessary,” said retired Gen. Wayne Downing, who ran counter-terror efforts for the current Bush administration and is now an NBC analyst.





“We should have had strike forces prepared to go in and react to this intelligence, certainly cruise missiles — either air- or sea-launched — very, very accurate, could have gone in and hit those targets,” Downing added.

Gary Schroen, a former CIA station chief in Pakistan, says the White House required the CIA to attempt to capture bin Laden alive, rather than kill him.

What impact did the wording of the orders have on the CIA’s ability to get bin Laden? “It reduced the odds from, say, a 50 percent chance down to, say, 25 percent chance that we were going to be able to get him,” said Schroen.

A Democratic member of the 9/11 commission says there was a larger issue: The Clinton administration treated bin Laden as a law enforcement problem.

Bob Kerry, a former senator and current 9/11 commission member, said, “The most important thing the Clinton administration could have done would have been for the president, either himself or by going to Congress, asking for a congressional declaration to declare war on al-Qaida, a military-political organization that had declared war on us.”

In reality, getting bin Laden would have been extraordinarily difficult. He was a moving target deep inside Afghanistan. Most military operations would have been high-risk. What’s more, Clinton was weakened by scandal, and there was no political consensus for bold action, especially with an election weeks away.

NBC News contacted the three top Clinton national security officials. None would do an on-camera interview. However, they vigorously defend their record and say they disrupted terrorist cells and made al-Qaida a top national security priority.

“We used military force, we used covert operations, we used all of the tools available to us because we realized what a serious threat this was,” said President Clinton’s former national security adviser James Steinberg.

One Clinton Cabinet official said, looking back, the military should have been more involved, “We did a lot, but we did not see the gathering storm that was out there.”

[alysheba88]

more cut and paste in you guys words

Can you answer direct question.. Does Bush bear any responsibility?

[petespocketfull]

Originally Posted by alysheba88

more cut and paste in you guys words

Can you answer direct question.. Does Bush bear any responsibility?

yes he does.

clinton admin gave him the info and they held off from doing anything about it.

both admins are too blame.

[alysheba88]

Originally Posted by petespocketfull

yes he does.

clinton admin gave him the info and they held off from doing anything about it.

both admins are too blame.

Both? You will never get anywhere on this forum with that attitude. Must be 100% one way or the other

[petespocketfull]

Originally Posted by alysheba88

Both? You will never get anywhere on this forum with that attitude. Must be 100% one way or the other

i am %100 sure the clinton admin fkd BUT i would have to say %100 that the bush admin fkd up.

[mfactor]

Originally Posted by alysheba88

more cut and paste in you guys words

Can you answer direct question.. Does Bush bear any responsibility?

Absolutley,Does Clinton?

[NVEmil]

One Clinton Cabinet official said, looking back, the military should have been more involved, “We did a lot, but we did not see the gathering storm that was out there.”[/quote]

If the official was feeling candid and honest he/she would have said is

"we shouldn't of spent the 90's cutting and phasing out the military so they could have been more involved, We did a lot but we did not see the gathering storm that was out there because we had cutbacks in those departments as well."

[alysheba88]

Originally Posted by mfactor

Absolutley,Does Clinton?

Sure

[Breakage]

Bush bears responsibilty for not taking action sooner.

He should have realized upon taking office, that every malcontent gunning for the US the world over had largely been ignored the previous 8 years.

there is an obvious pattern of escalating AlQaeda attacks vs US interests culminating in the one on 9/11,
blind man can see that, so why didn't Bill?

[StormRiver]

Maybe things might have been different if Bush had named his own CIA Director and not kept Clinton hold-over George Tenent.

[StormRiver]

Dont forget that the CIA had Bin-Laden fingered and ready to be taken out -- on permission of President Clinton. Clinton couldnt pull the trigger.

Clinton was so culpable that he had his former National Security adviser steal classified documents intended for the 9-11 Commission that purportedly showed the Clinton administration's failings in getting Bin-laden and dragging its feet on Al-Qaeda.

Totally Clinton's fault.

[Belch One]

I'd like to see a post anybody made BEFORE the attacks which suggests that something like that might happen instead of all this red-boarding. Especially from Breakage's wimpy *ss.

[cre8flow]

KNOWN FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE WARNINGS OF 9/11