Waterboarding prevented a 9/11 style attack in LA

[Breakage]

Why aren't they telling anyone this?

[dgba50]

Originally Posted by Breakage

Why aren't they telling anyone this?

I don't Know. The lefts obsession with this baffles me. Our enemy beheads captives and makes gruesome videos of it to distribute world wide. Some how they want to continue to focus on the US's use of simulated drowning.

By LS reasoning, following Pearl Harbor, FDR or some of his administration should have gone to jail for the Japanese Interment.

[Ocala Mike]

Because it's not germane to the argument of whether the law was broken or not. If you want to argue that the ends always justify the means, then fine, but change our law, so we can then fight terror with terror and complete our descent to becoming just another third-world entity.


Ocala Mike

[Breakage]

Right because it is immoral to simulate drowning but it is moral to allow radical islamic terrorist to crash a plane into building killing thousands.


Nice morals and ethics these people operate under.


Same old, same old surrender monkeys who think the US is responsible for being a target.

News flash, if there was knowledge of an atom bomb in NYC abt to go off and you didn't torture the person who had the information,

you should be shot on sight for treason.

[Breakage]

BTW anyone who believes this stupid crap should start watching Locked Up Abroad on Nat Geo,

joke going to bring americans up on charges for torture when your avg foreign prison is torturous just by it's existence.

[mfactor]

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

Because it's not germane to the argument of whether the law was broken or not. If you want to argue that the ends always justify the means, then fine, but change our law, so we can then fight terror with terror and complete our descent to becoming just another third-world entity.


Ocala Mike

What law?

[dgba50]

pril 22, 2009
Clinton mocks Cheney demand
Posted: 02:10 PM ET

From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

(CNN) –In the latest sign that the war of words between the Obama administration and Dick Cheney isn't letting up, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Wednesday mocked the former vice president's call to release additional classified CIA documents.

As Clinton made her first appearance before Congress as the nation's top diplomat, California Republican Dana Rohrbacher asked if the administration planned to heed Cheney's call to release documents showing information gained as a result of the Bush administration's aggressive interrogation techniques.

"Well, it won't surprise you that I don't consider him to be a particularly reliable source of information," Clinton said, to laughter from many in the committee room.

Rohrbacher quickly hit back, saying, "Dick Cheney has asked for specific documents to be unclassified. We are not asking for your opinion of Dick Cheney. … If you want to maintain your credibility with us, what is your opinion on the release of those documents?"

Clinton ultimately did not answer the question, saying, "I believe we ought to get to the bottom of this entire matter. I think it's in the best interest of our country, and that is what the president believes, and that is why he has taken the actions he has."

Cheney told FOX News on Monday that the Obama administration should release classified documents revealing the results of aggressive interrogation techniques, so a more "honest debate" can take place about the efficacy of the practices.

"I know specifically of reports that I read, that I saw, that lay out what we learned through the interrogation process and what the consequences were for the country," Cheney told FOX. "I've now formally asked the CIA to take steps to declassify those memos so we can lay them out there, and the American people have a chance to see what we obtained and what we learned and how good the intelligence was."

Filed under: Dick Cheney • Hillary Clinton

[petespocketfull]

FCUK GENAVA!!!!!!!!!!!!

The George W. Bush administration afforded fewer protections, under GCIII, to detainees in the "War on Terror" by creating a new legal status called unlawful combatant. If there is a question of whether a person is a lawful combatant, he (or she) must be treated as a POW "until their status has been determined by a competent tribunal" (GCIII Article 5). If the tribunal decides that he is an unlawful combatant, he is not considered a protected person under GCIII. However, if he is a protected person under GCIV he still has some protection under GCIV, and must be "treated with humanity and, in case of trial, shall not be deprived of the rights of fair and regular trial prescribed by the present Convention" (GCIV Article 5).[24]


An unlawful combatant or unprivileged combatant/belligerent is a civilian who directly engages in armed conflict in violation of International Humanitarian Law (IHL) and may be detained or prosecuted under the domestic law of the detaining state for such action.[1]

[Breakage]

Fox News: Obama now considering prosecuting Bush, Cheney, for "torturing" terrorists



Who is the enemy again?

The point of all of this is what exactly? TO pacify people who would still cut your neck off in a second if given the chance?


This whole concept is retarded. The one whereby idiot is trying to get the world to love him.
As if that changes anything.

There was a 10min diatribe against the US at the Conf in Americas and idiot's first response was,

"they weren't talking about me" right moron they were only talking about your country.

[Ocala Mike]

I guess we should have never become a signatory to the Geneva Convention. An excerpt of what we signed on to is as follows:

"Torture is prohibited by law throughout the United States. It is categorically denounced as a matter of policy and as a tool of state authority. Every act constituting torture under the Convention constitutes a criminal offence under the law of the United States. No official of the Government, federal, state or local, civilian or military, is authorized to commit or to instruct anyone else to commit torture. Nor may any official condone or tolerate torture in any form. No exceptional circumstances may be invoked as a justification of torture. United States law contains no provision permitting otherwise prohibited acts of torture or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment to be employed on grounds of exigent circumstances (for example, during a "state of public emergency") or on orders from a superior officer or public authority, and the protective mechanisms of an independent judiciary are not subject to suspension. The United States is committed to the full and effective implementation of its obligations under the Convention throughout its territory."

Remember, if you have the law, pound the law. If you have the facts, pound the facts. If you have neither, pound the table (and change the law and the facts).


Ocala Mike

[petespocketfull]

[mfactor]

International terrorists do NOT meet any of the conditions stated in the Geneva Convention in order to gain protection as a known enemy combatant. They do NOT serve in any organized armed force serving any particular nation. They do NOT have any well-defined chain of command or control. They go out of their way to be indistinguishable from the civilian population and have gone so far as to disguise themselves as medical, police and press personnel. They do NOT carry arms openly or obey any set of laws. They distinguish between military and civilian targets only to the degree that they prefer attacking unarmed defenseless civilian targets as opposed to military targets. As such, they are NOT covered by the language or terms of the Geneva Convention (s).

[mfactor]

Originally Posted by petespocketfull

Every time I see that it amazes me this guy was voted President, It is a natural reaction to
hold your hand over your heart during the National Anthem, not him though.

[Ocala Mike]

That picture of Obama not saluting has a lot of mileage on it, and it didn't work to keep him from getting in. By the way, it looks to me like he's just trying to protect his jewels from a "thrown shoe" onslaught. As far as the issues that mfactor raise, they will all be addressed in the investigation.

Ocala Mike

[mfactor]

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

That picture of Obama not saluting has a lot of mileage on it, and it didn't work to keep him from getting in. By the way, it looks to me like he's just trying to protect his jewels from a "thrown shoe" onslaught. As far as the issues that mfactor raise, they will all be addressed in the investigation.

Ocala Mike

Still though Mike doesn't that picture bother you at all?

[Ocala Mike]

Yes, of course, but to surmise or imply that he must therefore hate America is ludicrous. I have to go play Hollywood Park now, where my opinions may actually be rewarded (although no so much lately).


Ocala Mike

[mfactor]

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

Yes, of course, but to surmise or imply that he must therefore hate America is ludicrous. I have to go play Hollywood Park now, where my opinions may actually be rewarded (although no so much lately).


Ocala Mike

Good Luck

[NVEmil]

Obama may not hate America but he is naive, has no conception of the lessons of history and does NOT hate people who hate us. While he does not hate America he is hell-bent on transforming it. And it's not change it's apologist in nature. He is endangering this nations security and playing politics with it. I prefered the guy who did not care if he was liked or not. Mistakes and all.

Releasing those CIA memos and cherrypicking them was a grave mistake.

[Breakage]

Sorry Mike,

as long as they remain off US soil they are not covered by any immoral or unethical man made law.


Obama like the left wing believe that the US brings this hatred on itself.

No different than the rape victim blaming herself.



This could not possibly be further from the truth.

So while he is out trying to placate the world's malcontents,
they are plotting their next attack.

[bigrun]

Hitler did

Stalin did

Pol pot did

Saddam did

Atilla the Hun did

The Japs did

King Arthur did


Why the fuk shouldn't we......

[Breakage]

Atom bomb under NYC instead of saving 5million people be afraid of comparisons to whatever.

Sharp point.

[bigrun]

Thought you'd like that.....and i have the documents to prove it (got them from Dan Rather).

You got any proof of your numbers.......

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by dgba50

pril 22, 2009
Clinton mocks Cheney demand
Posted: 02:10 PM ET

From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

(CNN) –In the latest sign that the war of words between the Obama administration and Dick Cheney isn't letting up, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Wednesday mocked the former vice president's call to release additional classified CIA documents.

As Clinton made her first appearance before Congress as the nation's top diplomat, California Republican Dana Rohrbacher asked if the administration planned to heed Cheney's call to release documents showing information gained as a result of the Bush administration's aggressive interrogation techniques.

"Well, it won't surprise you that I don't consider him to be a particularly reliable source of information," Clinton said, to laughter from many in the committee room.

Rohrbacher quickly hit back, saying, "Dick Cheney has asked for specific documents to be unclassified. We are not asking for your opinion of Dick Cheney. … If you want to maintain your credibility with us, what is your opinion on the release of those documents?"

Clinton ultimately did not answer the question, saying, "I believe we ought to get to the bottom of this entire matter. I think it's in the best interest of our country, and that is what the president believes, and that is why he has taken the actions he has."

Cheney told FOX News on Monday that the Obama administration should release classified documents revealing the results of aggressive interrogation techniques, so a more "honest debate" can take place about the efficacy of the practices.

"I know specifically of reports that I read, that I saw, that lay out what we learned through the interrogation process and what the consequences were for the country," Cheney told FOX. "I've now formally asked the CIA to take steps to declassify those memos so we can lay them out there, and the American people have a chance to see what we obtained and what we learned and how good the intelligence was."

Filed under: Dick Cheney • Hillary Clinton

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton took aim on Wednesday at former Vice President Dick Cheney, telling lawmakers she did not view him as a "particularly reliable source" on issues of torture..........LMAO!!

[NVEmil]

George S. Patton on Muslims and War
Hubby was just spending some time reading quotes from the famous WW2 general, George S. Patton. He could not help but apply Patton's wisdom to our situation today. The quotes that follow are all directly from General Patton.

Regarding the desire of radical Muslims to die in jihad:
“I want you to remember that no S.O.B. ever won a war by dying for his country. He won by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."

“Live for something rather than die for nothing.”


I say that the US should accommodate these Muslim extremists at every opportunity.


Regarding those who think we should sit back with half measures and try to negotiate with these terrorists:

"In war the only sure defense is offense, and the efficiency of the offense depends on the warlike souls of those conducting it."
"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't.”



To the Bush administration and Secretary Rumsfeld as we slog along in Iraq, using ”surgical strikes” and half measures, hoping we won’t offend someone:

“Good tactics can save even the worst strategy. Bad tactics will destroy even the best strategy.”
“War is simple, direct, and ruthless.”

“In case of doubt, attack.”

"A good plan, violently executed now, is better than a perfect plan next week."



To the French, the Germans, the Russians, and the majority of Euroweenies at the UN:

“If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking.”
“Moral courage is the most valuable and usually the most absent characteristic in men.”

“No good decision was ever made in a swivel chair.”

“Say what you mean and mean what you say.”

“Lead me, follow me, or get out of my way. ”



To the idiots on the left that say we need to cut and run. To John Murtha, John Kerry, and their ilk that say we can’t win:

“You’re never beaten until you admit it.”


Sure, we want to go home. We want this war over with. The quickest way to get it over with is to go get the bastards who started it. The quicker they are whipped, the quicker we can go home. The shortest way home is through Berlin and Tokyo. And when we get to Berlin, I am personally going to shoot that paper hanging son-of-a-bitch Hitler. Just like I'd shoot a snake!"
General George S. Patton - (addressing to his troops before Operation Overlord) - 5th June 1944

Historically, democratic societies have been slow to react to gathering threats, tending instead to wait to confront threats until they are too dangerous to ignore or until it is too late. Despite Nazi Germany's repeated violations of the Versailles Treaty and its string of provocations throughout the mid-1930s, the western democracies did not take action until 1939. The US Government did not act against the growing threat from Imperial Japan until the threat became all too evident at Pearl Harbor. - Dr. Condoleezza Rice, US National security advisor, 2004

[cre8flow]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Hitler did

Stalin did

Pol pot did

Saddam did

Atilla the Hun did

The Japs did

King Arthur did


Why the fuk shouldn't we......

you are equating what we did to the japs and pol pot and stalin


complete joke

not the same thing by a million miles

[NVEmil]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton took aim on Wednesday at former Vice President Dick Cheney, telling lawmakers she did not view him as a "particularly reliable source" on issues of torture..........LMAO!!

And what is credable about Hillary ? Bosnia ? Darfur ? Rwanda ?

She is a reliable door mat for her own hubby however.

[bigrun]

[Masterquick]

This is just conservative propaganda.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by NVEmil

And what is credable about Hillary ? Bosnia ? Darfur ? Rwanda ?

She is a reliable door mat for her own hubby however.

What's credible is that it takes one to know one.......

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by cre8flow

you are equating what we did to the japs and pol pot and stalin


complete joke

not the same thing by a million miles

Just saying they did it why can't we.....