ellis dropping 4% pk 4 wager to keep vegas on cal otbs happy??

fort erie pro · 05-19-2008, 05:38 PM

Ellis Park adds super high five, early pick four wagers

by Joe Nevills

The Kentucky Horse Racing Authority voted Monday to expand wagering at Ellis Park, adding new ways to bet on the races and expanding others.

The proposed wagers were presented by Mark Geary, director of development for Ellis Park, and each was unanimously approved.

“I am very happy,” Geary said. “Everything we requested went through and we’re pretty pleased with that.”

Among the new wagers approved by the KHRA was the super high five, which requires bettors to pick the order of finish for the first five horses in a single race.

“We’re hoping it will do pretty well,” Geary said. “We’re going to put our best race on the back end of the card and have some full fields. Hopefully, people will jump on it just like they have at Keeneland [Race Course] and Churchill [Downs].”

Another wager approved by the committee was the addition of an early pick four, giving Ellis two per day.

“Last year, our pick four was pretty successful and we actually had some requests from horseplayers to add another one at the beginning, so we decided to go ahead and do it,” Geary said.

Ellis Park has experimented with the pick four wager in the past, offering the bet with a 4% takeout last year. The wager will be offered this year at the normal takeout rate of 22%.

“We wanted to give the horseplayers last year a chance to get a lower takeout and put more money in their pocket,” Geary said. “The way it turned out, some California OTBs and tracks and some Las Vegas places ended up not taking the bet, so we ended up taking the pick four back to its normal percentage.”

Geary also was pleased with the committee’s decision to lower the minimum wager on trifecta bets from $1 to 50-cents.

“I think the patrons of our track will really love it,” he said, “as well as some other people out in OTB land. I think it will be more affordable for them to box horses.”

SaveRockinghamPark · 05-19-2008, 06:50 PM

It's all good till the horsemen shut down wagering on it.

TurfMonster · 05-19-2008, 09:42 PM

Geary, what a liar and moron. The lie "some las vegas places not taking the bet". No one in Las Vegas took the bet, it's ok to take all the Pennsylvania superfectas with a 31% takeout in LV, but the cartel which controls what the racebook s receive, told Ellis and players who wanted to bet the P4 f**k off. This is the kind of thing we're up against if you think that takeouts will ever be lowered, and that this game can be saved. Now for the moron part, 4% didn't work how about 22%? No attempt at something in between? Oh well, this is probably the last year for Ellis anyway. TM

cre8flow · 05-19-2008, 09:53 PM

if the game goes it goes

i will turn my focus toward hoops and football

they have been racing horses since cavemen existed

and documented since the 12th century

yes we are going against it

but what business at 1 time or another hasnt been against the odds

there is bullsh!t in everything known to man kind

we are great creators of bullsh1t

think of the guy married and his b3lls tied to a wife who wont let him go to the track but once a week-freaking trapped

Breakage · 05-20-2008, 07:14 AM

Sharp post Turf Monster. Welcome to TC.

The casinos really screwed the player to begin with when they bowed down and went parimutuel with everything just so they could offer the Southern Cali P6.

COmes back to the horsemen believing they own the results.

IT is a JOKE AND A HALF.

The ADWS that are not named twinspires should get together, offer their own 5% takeout pools and tell the tracks to go fukk off. How many people would gladly give up live video to play in a 5% pool?

bullring · 05-20-2008, 07:55 AM

14% take on the pick4 would have been fine. **** that super high 5 bull****.

don61111 · 05-20-2008, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Breakage

Sharp post Turf Monster. Welcome to TC.

The casinos really screwed the player to begin with when they bowed down and went parimutuel with everything just so they could offer the Southern Cali P6.

COmes back to the horsemen believing they own the results.

IT is a JOKE AND A HALF.

The ADWS that are not named twinspires should get together, offer their own 5% takeout pools and tell the tracks to go fukk off. How many people would gladly give up live video to play in a 5% pool?

They don't care about the video. Same people would never allow betting in seperate pools.

Inside The Pylons · 05-20-2008, 03:12 PM

Fukk Geary and Fukk racing!

Racing is so fukked up right now it's sickening.

cre8flow · 05-20-2008, 03:36 PM

its for sure that i wont bet ellis

but i cant see it ever changing

05-19-2008, 05:38 PM	#1 (permalink)
fort erie pro Status: Grade II Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: new england Posts: 1,854	ellis dropping 4% pk 4 wager to keep vegas on cal otbs happy?? Ellis Park adds super high five, early pick four wagers by Joe Nevills The Kentucky Horse Racing Authority voted Monday to expand wagering at Ellis Park, adding new ways to bet on the races and expanding others. The proposed wagers were presented by Mark Geary, director of development for Ellis Park, and each was unanimously approved. “I am very happy,” Geary said. “Everything we requested went through and we’re pretty pleased with that.” Among the new wagers approved by the KHRA was the super high five, which requires bettors to pick the order of finish for the first five horses in a single race. “We’re hoping it will do pretty well,” Geary said. “We’re going to put our best race on the back end of the card and have some full fields. Hopefully, people will jump on it just like they have at Keeneland [Race Course] and Churchill [Downs].” Another wager approved by the committee was the addition of an early pick four, giving Ellis two per day. “Last year, our pick four was pretty successful and we actually had some requests from horseplayers to add another one at the beginning, so we decided to go ahead and do it,” Geary said. Ellis Park has experimented with the pick four wager in the past, offering the bet with a 4% takeout last year. The wager will be offered this year at the normal takeout rate of 22%. “We wanted to give the horseplayers last year a chance to get a lower takeout and put more money in their pocket,” Geary said. “The way it turned out, some California OTBs and tracks and some Las Vegas places ended up not taking the bet, so we ended up taking the pick four back to its normal percentage.” Geary also was pleased with the committee’s decision to lower the minimum wager on trifecta bets from $1 to 50-cents. “I think the patrons of our track will really love it,” he said, “as well as some other people out in OTB land. I think it will be more affordable for them to box horses.”

05-19-2008, 06:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
SaveRockinghamPark Status: Allowance Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Merrimack New Hampshire Posts: 225	It's all good till the horsemen shut down wagering on it. __________________ Love It Live.

05-20-2008, 07:14 AM	#5 (permalink)
Breakage Status: Hall of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 10,986	Sharp post Turf Monster. Welcome to TC. The casinos really screwed the player to begin with when they bowed down and went parimutuel with everything just so they could offer the Southern Cali P6. COmes back to the horsemen believing they own the results. IT is a JOKE AND A HALF. The ADWS that are not named twinspires should get together, offer their own 5% takeout pools and tell the tracks to go fukk off. How many people would gladly give up live video to play in a 5% pool? __________________ "An inexhaustible good nature is one of the most precious gifts of heaven, spreading itself like oil over the troubled sea of thought, and keeping the mind smooth and equable in the roughest weather." Washington Irving

05-20-2008, 03:12 PM	#8 (permalink)
Inside The Pylons Status: Grade II Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a state of complete shock at how incompetent the people in charge of racing in California are Posts: 1,507	Fukk Geary and Fukk racing! Racing is so fukked up right now it's sickening. __________________ "Any owner should be able to afford $200 per jocks mount when they enter a horse. If you can't afford that you shouldn't own horses." -- Centennial Farms "The fans are waiting quietly for the place photo to come down. If they hang up the local horse second, #4 By By JJ, the crowd will go wild." -- Chris Kotulak during All-American Derby Broadcast "I would hope the crowd would go fukking wild Chris! He finished 10th and last you fukking moron!" -- ITP

05-19-2008, 09:42 PM	#3 (permalink)
TurfMonster Status: Maiden Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4	Geary, what a liar and moron. The lie "some las vegas places not taking the bet". No one in Las Vegas took the bet, it's ok to take all the Pennsylvania superfectas with a 31% takeout in LV, but the cartel which controls what the racebook s receive, told Ellis and players who wanted to bet the P4 f**k off. This is the kind of thing we're up against if you think that takeouts will ever be lowered, and that this game can be saved. Now for the moron part, 4% didn't work how about 22%? No attempt at something in between? Oh well, this is probably the last year for Ellis anyway. TM

05-19-2008, 09:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
cre8flow Status: Hall of Famer Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 12,806	if the game goes it goes i will turn my focus toward hoops and football they have been racing horses since cavemen existed and documented since the 12th century yes we are going against it but what business at 1 time or another hasnt been against the odds there is bullsh!t in everything known to man kind we are great creators of bullsh1t think of the guy married and his b3lls tied to a wife who wont let him go to the track but once a week-freaking trapped

05-20-2008, 07:55 AM	#6 (permalink)
bullring Status: Super Horse Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 7,235	14% take on the pick4 would have been fine. ** that super high 5 bull**.

05-20-2008, 03:36 PM	#9 (permalink)
cre8flow Status: Hall of Famer Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 12,806	its for sure that i wont bet ellis but i cant see it ever changing