Harness racing is bull**** and should be abolished

bullring · 07-03-2009, 12:31 PM

There was a $1.5 million dollar race at Woodbine and nobody even noticed.

What a joke this sport is.

Valento · 07-03-2009, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullring

There was a $1.5 million dollar race at Woodbine and nobody even noticed.

What a joke this sport is.

100000% agree. Not only is it followed by 141 people nationwide, it is as crooked as any wrestling match. I've seen more 2-5 shots break before the race than I care to admit.

It should be shut down immediately.

Msanislo20 · 07-03-2009, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valento

100000% agree. Not only is it followed by 141 people nationwide, it is as crooked as any wrestling match. I've seen more 2-5 shots break before the race than I care to admit.

It should be shut down immediately.

such an ignorant comment. First off, your comment illustrates you're a chalk eating weasel by betting a 2-5 shot in the first place. Secondly, your comment is completely baseless and is only anecdotal. You may notice the 2-5 shot breaking more but I assure you the number of breakers are disparately longshots. Again, breaking stride is more likely in a trotting gait, so don't bet trotters. To say they are crooked is asinine and shows yourself to be clue. The amount of fixing that goes on in trotters is the same as thoroughbred racing, if not less.

bullring · 07-03-2009, 01:04 PM

Didn't even Vegas refuse to take action on this **** when they were booking?

turfnsport · 07-03-2009, 01:17 PM

Hey Pete,

Should I move this thread to the Harness Forum?....lol...

bullring · 07-03-2009, 01:33 PM

Standardbred, Pacing, Purse=$1,500,000.00, Distance=ONE MILE, Fast, D-PEPSI NORTH AMERICA CUP XXVI - FINAL - 3 YEAR OLDS. Also Eligible: ARCTIC WARRIOR

Pool Totals $166,877 $59,090 $35,669

Exotic Pool Totals
Pool Total
Exactor $135,641
Pick 3 $11,953
Superfecta $60,947
Triactor $132,688

LOLOLOL! This for a $1.5 million race.

It's like the 4th at Monmouth on a Wednesday afternoon.

How can anybody defend this ****?

jballscalls · 07-03-2009, 01:34 PM

ironically if you actually watched the 1.5 million dollar race, Mohawk was packed to the rafters. Harness racing is big in Ontario.

i would guess handle on harness racing in america is bigger than QH racing and QH racing has lots of huge stakes races. i know it is at our track and our otb system. I mean i could be wrong, but i would guess

bullring · 07-03-2009, 01:38 PM

Harness racing does not prsoper in Ontario. The only reason anybody can make a living with that **** is because purses are subsidized by the idiot tax, i.e. slot revenue.

There are probably a dozen dinky-doo harness tracks in Southern Ontario Who don't do in 15 races, what Turf Paradise does in 1 race.

Somebody needs to take harness racing out back like old yeller and put it out of its misery.

jballscalls · 07-03-2009, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullring

Harness racing does not prsoper in Ontario. The only reason anybody can make a living with that **** is because purses are subsidized by the idiot tax, i.e. slot revenue.

There are probably a dozen dinky-doo harness tracks in Southern Ontario Who don't do in 15 races, what Turf Paradise does in 1 race.

Somebody needs to take harness racing out back like old yeller and put it out of its misery.

why abolish it if some people like it? is it taking anything away from you or anyone by being around? it certainly is employing a significant amount of people

bullring · 07-03-2009, 01:42 PM

I'm sure there is a mandate by the government to support the harness racing industry.

Those funds could be better used elsewhere.

You could save Fort Erie with a months worth of purses at Mohawk.

turfnsport · 07-03-2009, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jballscalls

why abolish it if some people like it? is it taking anything away from you or anyone by being around? it certainly is employing a significant amount of people

Instead of harness racing they could turn all those sulkys into wheelchairs for the poor.

jballscalls · 07-03-2009, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullring

I'm sure there is a mandate by the government to support the harness racing industry.

Those funds could be better used elsewhere.

You could save Fort Erie with a months worth of purses at Mohawk.

is mohawk owned by the government?? if thats the case, then your argument makes sense. But if mohawk is a private business, why would they give money to another track to support them?

petespocketfull · 07-03-2009, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turfnsport

Hey Pete,

Should I move this thread to the Harness Forum?....lol...

yeah

the crickets are getting real loud in that forum.

petespocketfull · 07-03-2009, 02:38 PM

no capping harness trifecta play.

take the third highest win pool in the last minute and make the bottom key on the trifecta(x). 1st,2nd and 4th hight win pool put on the top- a,b,c. 5th highest or anyone else you want on the bottom end(d)

abc
x
abcd

abc
abcd
x

bullring · 07-03-2009, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jballscalls

is mohawk owned by the government?? if thats the case, then your argument makes sense. But if mohawk is a private business, why would they give money to another track to support them?

No, but slot revenue is owned by the Government, and that is the only reason why Mohawk exists.

don61111 · 07-03-2009, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullring

I'm sure there is a mandate by the government to support the harness racing industry.

Those funds could be better used elsewhere.

You could save Fort Erie with a months worth of purses at Mohawk.

Even a hard core harness hater would have to admit that Mohawk is a more viable betting track than Fort Erie. I prefer TBreds also but I guarantee you I would much rather try to win some money at Meadowlands or Mohawk than Fort Erie or Fairmont or Fing Penn National. I'll grant you there is much cheating and the small tracks can be a waste of time but there is a bigger fan base than you think..

bullring · 07-03-2009, 04:03 PM

Ontario NEEDS Fort Erie. You need a B track for horses that can't cut it at Woodbine for whatever reason.

What we don't need are 14 harness tracks that do nothing other than serve as a front for slots.

I never understood that one bit.

Ray · 07-04-2009, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullring

Ontario NEEDS Fort Erie. You need a B track for horses that can't cut it at Woodbine for whatever reason.

What we don't need are 14 harness tracks that do nothing other than serve as a front for slots.

I never understood that one bit.

I CANT STAND THE CARD GAME OMAHA I THINK ITS BORING OH I ALSO HATE SLOTS BUNCH OF IDIOS PLAYS THOSE PEOPLE COULD BE GIVING THAT MONEY TO CHARITY. IF YOU DON'T LIKE HARNESS WHY THE HELL DO YOU PAY ANY ATTN TO IT?

tpt1111 · 07-04-2009, 05:55 AM

Harness racing handles far more money in the US than the Quarterhorses ever will...
Until recently, nobody east of the Mississippi had a clue what QH racing was..
Pompano Park ran both QH and harness at one time and the harness survived..
Why? Because there was so much cheating and bull**** with the QH's...
Don't like harness racing? Don't bet it..
To think that cheating is worse at a harness track than at some of the B and C tracks for the runners is insane because a $2500 claimer is the same on either side and everyone needs to eat....

cheeseburger · 07-04-2009, 06:57 AM

I CAN'T STAND IT !!!
YOU EVER SEE THE PEOPLE THAT GO TO FREEHOLD OR YONKERS !!!!!!
AT FREEHOLD THEY PAY HORSES JUST TO FILL THE FIELDS !!!
CANT STAND ANY TRACK WHERE 6 HORSES ARE 2 TO 1 OR LESS !!!!
GO TO FREEHOLD AND WATCH 20 BUCKS CHANGE A HORSE FROM
3 TO 1 TO 6 TO 5 !!!!!
AND EVERY RACE AT FREEHOLD THERES AN INTERNATIONAL TIP !!!!

Msanislo20 · 07-07-2009, 02:24 PM

I'd rather bet Mohawk anyday than a ****/fixed track like Suffolk

petespocketfull · 07-07-2009, 04:03 PM

hoorsiier 5th- $1 tri

1,5,9
6
1,5,9,8

1,5,9
1,5,9,8
6

petespocketfull · 07-07-2009, 04:05 PM

kawarta 7th- $1 tri

2,3,4
1
2,3,4,9

2,3,4
2,3,4,9
1

petespocketfull · 07-07-2009, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petespocketfull

kawarta 7th- $1 tri

2,3,4
1
2,3,4,9

2,3,4
2,3,4,9
1

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! fkn #1 stuck on the inside gets up for 5th by noses

2/3/4/9/1

#2 was 6/ and #3 was 5/2 and #1 was 6/1. could of been a good one.

Valento · 07-08-2009, 08:39 AM

Harness racing is a joke. Period. That is a fact and cannot be argued.

swbirdseyeview · 07-08-2009, 08:44 AM

Hows Canterbury treating you this year???????? No Justin Evans to complain about, I figure you must be happier than a fat kid at a all you can eat buffet...

Msanislo20 · 07-08-2009, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valento

Harness racing is a joke. Period. That is a fact and cannot be argued.

With airtight logic like this, I don't know how you ever lose an argument.

mfactor · 07-08-2009, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Msanislo20

With airtight logic like this, I don't know how you ever lose an argument.

LOL..........BTW...Bold Suggestion 6th at Pleasanton

petespocketfull · 07-08-2009, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfactor

LOL..........BTW...Bold Suggestion 6th at Pleasanton

lol i have a horse in the 6th

Horse name Tony Fatale
Notes scr 6/11- golden gate- 12/1
Activity type Entry
Activity date 07-08-2009
Track Pleasanton
Surface Dirt
Distance 5 Furlongs
Race number 6
Purse $9,500
Claim price $12,500
Individual claim price $12,500
Race type Maiden Claiming
Post position 14
Jockey Martinez M

belmont 9th

Horse name Hangingonaprayer
Notes scr 6/28- belmont- 9/2- turf
Activity type Entry
Activity date 07-08-2009
Track Belmont Park
Surface Inner turf
Distance 6 Furlongs
Race number 9
Purse $24,000
Claim price $25,000
Individual claim price $25,000
Race type Claiming
Post position 4
Jockey Maragh R

presque isle

Horse name Give Me Some Green
Notes scr 6/24- indiana- 8/1
Activity type Entry
Activity date 07-08-2009
Track Presque Isle Downs
Surface All Weather Track
Distance 5 1/2 Furlongs
Race number 1
Purse $35,000
Race type Maiden Special Weight
Post position 1
Jockey Villa-Gomez H

mfactor · 07-08-2009, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petespocketfull

lol i have a horse in the 6th

Horse name Tony Fatale
Notes scr 6/11- golden gate- 12/1
Activity type Entry
Activity date 07-08-2009
Track Pleasanton
Surface Dirt
Distance 5 Furlongs
Race number 6
Purse $9,500
Claim price $12,500
Individual claim price $12,500
Race type Maiden Claiming
Post position 14
Jockey Martinez M

belmont 9th

Horse name Hangingonaprayer
Notes scr 6/28- belmont- 9/2- turf
Activity type Entry
Activity date 07-08-2009
Track Belmont Park
Surface Inner turf
Distance 6 Furlongs
Race number 9
Purse $24,000
Claim price $25,000
Individual claim price $25,000
Race type Claiming
Post position 4
Jockey Maragh R

presque isle

Horse name Give Me Some Green
Notes scr 6/24- indiana- 8/1
Activity type Entry
Activity date 07-08-2009
Track Presque Isle Downs
Surface All Weather Track
Distance 5 1/2 Furlongs
Race number 1
Purse $35,000
Race type Maiden Special Weight
Post position 1
Jockey Villa-Gomez H

Good stuff!!!!! I'm already all in on Hangingonaprayer

07-03-2009, 12:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
bullring Status: Super Horse Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 7,183	Harness racing is bull and should be abolished There was a $1.5 million dollar race at Woodbine and nobody even noticed. What a joke this sport is.

07-03-2009, 01:34 PM	#7 (permalink)
jballscalls Status: Grade II Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,986	ironically if you actually watched the 1.5 million dollar race, Mohawk was packed to the rafters. Harness racing is big in Ontario. i would guess handle on harness racing in america is bigger than QH racing and QH racing has lots of huge stakes races. i know it is at our track and our otb system. I mean i could be wrong, but i would guess __________________ "Give me one more medicated, peaceful moment"---Maynard James Keenan

07-04-2009, 06:57 AM	#20 (permalink)
cheeseburger Status: Optional Claimer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: union beach, n.j. Posts: 137	I DON'T GET IT !!!!! I CAN'T STAND IT !!! YOU EVER SEE THE PEOPLE THAT GO TO FREEHOLD OR YONKERS !!!!!! AT FREEHOLD THEY PAY HORSES JUST TO FILL THE FIELDS !!! CANT STAND ANY TRACK WHERE 6 HORSES ARE 2 TO 1 OR LESS !!!! GO TO FREEHOLD AND WATCH 20 BUCKS CHANGE A HORSE FROM 3 TO 1 TO 6 TO 5 !!!!! AND EVERY RACE AT FREEHOLD THERES AN INTERNATIONAL TIP !!!!

07-08-2009, 08:39 AM	#25 (permalink)
Valento Status: Grade III Join Date: May 2007 Location: Austin, TX (grew up in Minnesota) Posts: 453	Harness racing is a joke. Period. That is a fact and cannot be argued. __________________ "Sure way to come home from the track with a small fortune? Go there with a large one" www.trackphantom.com

07-03-2009, 01:04 PM	#4 (permalink)
bullring Status: Super Horse Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 7,183	Didn't even Vegas refuse to take action on this **** when they were booking?

07-03-2009, 01:17 PM	#5 (permalink)
turfnsport Status: Grade I Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 4,792	Hey Pete, Should I move this thread to the Harness Forum?....lol...

07-03-2009, 01:33 PM	#6 (permalink)
bullring Status: Super Horse Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 7,183	Standardbred, Pacing, Purse=$1,500,000.00, Distance=ONE MILE, Fast, D-PEPSI NORTH AMERICA CUP XXVI - FINAL - 3 YEAR OLDS. Also Eligible: ARCTIC WARRIOR Pool Totals $166,877 $59,090 $35,669 Exotic Pool Totals Pool Total Exactor $135,641 Pick 3 $11,953 Superfecta $60,947 Triactor $132,688 LOLOLOL! This for a $1.5 million race. It's like the 4th at Monmouth on a Wednesday afternoon. How can anybody defend this ****?

07-03-2009, 01:38 PM	#8 (permalink)
bullring Status: Super Horse Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 7,183	Harness racing does not prsoper in Ontario. The only reason anybody can make a living with that **** is because purses are subsidized by the idiot tax, i.e. slot revenue. There are probably a dozen dinky-doo harness tracks in Southern Ontario Who don't do in 15 races, what Turf Paradise does in 1 race. Somebody needs to take harness racing out back like old yeller and put it out of its misery.

07-03-2009, 01:42 PM	#10 (permalink)
bullring Status: Super Horse Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 7,183	I'm sure there is a mandate by the government to support the harness racing industry. Those funds could be better used elsewhere. You could save Fort Erie with a months worth of purses at Mohawk.

07-03-2009, 02:38 PM	#14 (permalink)
petespocketfull Status: Hall of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: rancho mirage, ca Posts: 37,243	no capping harness trifecta play. take the third highest win pool in the last minute and make the bottom key on the trifecta(x). 1st,2nd and 4th hight win pool put on the top- a,b,c. 5th highest or anyone else you want on the bottom end(d) abc x abcd abc abcd x

07-03-2009, 04:03 PM	#17 (permalink)
bullring Status: Super Horse Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 7,183	Ontario NEEDS Fort Erie. You need a B track for horses that can't cut it at Woodbine for whatever reason. What we don't need are 14 harness tracks that do nothing other than serve as a front for slots. I never understood that one bit.

07-04-2009, 05:55 AM	#19 (permalink)
tpt1111 Status: Grade III Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 534	Harness racing handles far more money in the US than the Quarterhorses ever will... Until recently, nobody east of the Mississippi had a clue what QH racing was.. Pompano Park ran both QH and harness at one time and the harness survived.. Why? Because there was so much cheating and bull**** with the QH's... Don't like harness racing? Don't bet it.. To think that cheating is worse at a harness track than at some of the B and C tracks for the runners is insane because a $2500 claimer is the same on either side and everyone needs to eat....

07-07-2009, 02:24 PM	#21 (permalink)
Msanislo20 Status: Grade I Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,218	I'd rather bet Mohawk anyday than a ****/fixed track like Suffolk

07-07-2009, 04:03 PM	#22 (permalink)
petespocketfull Status: Hall of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: rancho mirage, ca Posts: 37,243	hoorsiier 5th- $1 tri 1,5,9 6 1,5,9,8 1,5,9 1,5,9,8 6

07-07-2009, 04:05 PM	#23 (permalink)
petespocketfull Status: Hall of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: rancho mirage, ca Posts: 37,243	kawarta 7th- $1 tri 2,3,4 1 2,3,4,9 2,3,4 2,3,4,9 1

07-08-2009, 08:44 AM	#26 (permalink)
swbirdseyeview Status: Allowance Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 227	Hows Canterbury treating you this year???????? No Justin Evans to complain about, I figure you must be happier than a fat kid at a all you can eat buffet...