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grandmaster · 08-18-2008, 06:44 PM

Anybody see the massive effort in the Confederation Cup,this horse is very special. Video can be seen on Standardbred Canada.com under news,A world record of 149.2 on a 1/2 mile,last half in 54. How about Chester yesterday,great card,any comments on the accident? Gm

ed584 · 08-18-2008, 08:32 PM

The connections were against running in the Jug. They want to take the all age world record at the Red mile and are concerned 2 tough heats could be to much that soon after Delaware. I now this animal has nothing to prove to me. But what about the early wager players on the jug field.
About a week ago Mcgrath said his plans were to skip the Jug... Are they all screwed that played the big favorite?(I don`t play these pools) Or Did the confederate cup change there minds about going at least 2 heats on a 1/2 mile track?

grandmaster · 08-18-2008, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ed584

The connections were against running in the Jug. They want to take the all age world record at the Red mile and are concerned 2 tough heats could be to much that soon after Delaware. I now this animal has nothing to prove to me. But what about the early wager players on the jug field.
About a week ago Mcgrath said his plans were to skip the Jug... Are they all screwed that played the big favorite?(I don`t play these pools) Or Did the confederate cup change there minds about going at least 2 heats on a 1/2 mile track?

ED-MacGrath has said for over a year that he would not race in the Jug. The interview with him yesterday is listed in full on standardbredcanada.com
He seems to be saying that is he out to set World records on different size tracks,Yesterday being his 1/2 mile try,for the year. He has him listed to race at Mohawk at least once more ,before going to races sept 21 and sept 28th,I think,at The Red Mile,where he tries to set a mile world record(147 now),and may try a time trial in early october. After that maybe BreedersCup ? Strange plan for a world champion,and horse for the ages,like him.- GM

grandmaster · 08-18-2008, 08:57 PM

Deweycheatumnhowe Tops Hambo/BC Poll
August 18, 2008 : The undefeated trotting terror, Deweycheatumnhowe, continues to hold down the top spot in the 2008 Hambletonian/Breeders Crown Standardbred Poll, which was released earlier today by Harness Racing Communications..... read on

Badlands Nitro Favoured In Jug Pool #2
August 18, 2008 : The second of three pools on the 2008 Future Wager for the Little Brown Jug is fast approaching, with wagering set to get underway at 12 p.m. on Thursday,

AuArt Official Supplemented To Cane Pace
August 18, 2008 : Harness Racing Communications has reported that the connections of Meadowlands Pace winner Art Official will supplement the colt to the Cane Pace at Freehold Raceway..... read ongust 21 through 11:30 p.m. Sunday, August 24..... read on

Manzi Hospitalized Following Spill
August 18, 2008 : Driver Catello Manzi, injured in a multi-horse racing spill yesterday at Chester Downs, remains hospitalized as of Monday morning at Crozer-Chester Medical Center with a broken clavicle and fractured ribs, according to his..... read on

Somebeachsomewhere In World Record 1:49.2
August 17, 2008 : A monstrous performance from Somebeachsomewhere and driver Paul MacDonell established a new world record of 1:49.2 in the $493,000 final of Sunday's 32nd edition of the Confederation Cup at Flamboro Downs..... read on

Super Stakes Sunday Completed At Chester
August 17, 2008 : It was billed as "Pennsylvania harness racing's richest day", and by all measures, it lived up to expectations..... read on

Gold Cup & Saucer To Pownal Bay Matt
August 17, 2008 : With an electrifying stretch drive that set Prince Edward Island abuzz, Pownal Bay Matt and trainer-driver Earl Smith upset the field and captured this year's $60,000 Gold Cup & Saucer at Charlottetown Driving Park Entertainment Centre..... read on

ed584 · 08-18-2008, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by grandmaster

ED-MacGrath has said for over a year that he would not race in the Jug. The interview with him yesterday is listed in full on standardbredcanada.com
He seems to be saying that is he out to set World records on different size tracks,Yesterday being his 1/2 mile try,for the year. He has him listed to race at Mohawk at least once more ,before going to races sept 21 and sept 28th,I think,at The Red Mile,where he tries to set a mile world record(147 now),and may try a time trial in early october. After that maybe BreedersCup ? Strange plan for a world champion,and horse for the ages,like him.- GM

I guess my point is that the early wagers have been accepted under false pretence and should be refunded. If they never planned on running than why did they accept the wagers in the pools! I`m not out anything but this is just bad news for harness racing.
I read all the time that the fan base is eroding ..I wonder why?

Hoberz · 08-18-2008, 10:34 PM

The question is, are they going to take the record in a race or time trial? The date would be either Sept 27 (Bluegrass) or Oct 4 (Tattersalls). He'd need to run 1:18 for a real shot at 1:45 mile.

Also, what is he going to run in September? There are no stakes aside from the LBJ.

If he wants to break the world record on a 5/8th track, where/what race would it be?
There is an OSS Final at Rideau on Oct 4 (which is unlikely due to Red Mile), and another at Windsor on Oct 28. I believe it could be a simple race or the Progress/Matron at Dover, the speed wouldn't be faster in the fall.

johnav · 08-19-2008, 08:08 AM

Time Trial Record, now that would really bring people back to Harness Racing. The last time a Time Trial meant something was when Dan Patch ran them.

grandmaster · 08-19-2008, 08:35 AM

MacGrath Confident For World Record

August 19, 2008

Somebeachsomewhere's co-owning trainer, Brent MacGrath, has gone on the record as saying that he has high hopes that the champion Mach Three colt will break Cambest's 1:46.1 World Record at the Red Mile this fall.

"I am confident that Somebeachsomewhere will break Cambest's record of 1:46.1 when he races at the Red Mile," MacGrath told Doug Harness in a story published today in the Truro Daily News.

MacGrath stated that in order to have Somebeachsomewhere in top form for the Red Mile's stakes event, he will not have his pupil participate in the Little Brown Jug.

"We are aiming this horse to break Cambest's World Record," MacGrath explained. "I don't think it would be fair to the horse to race him in the Jug and expect him to be ready for a world record performance 10 days later."

In the Truro Daily News article, MacGrath commented on 'The Beach's' World Record 1:49.2 clocking in Flamboro Downs' Confederation Cup this past Sunday. He also said that The Beach will next see action at the upcoming Simcoe Stakes at Mohawk Racetrack (September 6).

To read the Truro Daily News article in its entirety, click here.

(With files from the Truro Daily News)

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Somebeachsomewhere In World Record 1:49.2

grandmaster · 08-19-2008, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoberz

The question is, are they going to take the record in a race or time trial? The date would be either Sept 27 (Bluegrass) or Oct 4 (Tattersalls). He'd need to run 1:18 for a real shot at 1:45 mile.

Also, what is he going to run in September? There are no stakes aside from the LBJ.

If he wants to break the world record on a 5/8th track, where/what race would it be?
There is an OSS Final at Rideau on Oct 4 (which is unlikely due to Red Mile), and another at Windsor on Oct 28. I believe it could be a simple race or the Progress/Matron at Dover, the speed wouldn't be faster in the fall.

After seeing him race ,I think he would do something like 26.3 53.3 119.3 145.3 or he might try 27 54 120 145.4 which are both possible for him,he seems to have the ability to back half in 52 or so so a 53.4 half is very possible,on a hot track,during the day.-GM

tz. · 08-19-2008, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by johnav

Time Trial Record, now that would really bring people back to Harness Racing. The last time a Time Trial meant something was when Dan Patch ran them.

Yeah, and some forgotten scrub called Niatross.

TDN MAN · 08-19-2008, 03:05 PM

At least in the time trial he couldn't get parked 3 wide in 119 and change

irishnip · 08-19-2008, 05:40 PM

he could be much bettter with macdonnell off him...the butcher of woodbine...

Hoberz · 08-19-2008, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TDN MAN

At least in the time trial he couldn't get parked 3 wide in 119 and change

True, but the question is time trial or race?

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Originally Posted by grandmaster

After seeing him race ,I think he would do something like 26.3 53.3 119.3 145.3 or he might try 27 54 120 145.4 which are both possible for him,he seems to have the ability to back half in 52 or so so a 53.4 half is very possible,on a hot track,during the day.-GM

The Red Mile is know for its very fast last quarters. Remember last year, these horses were going 119, 120 LQ3s, even Giant Diablo pulled off a L3Q of 121 and change. Jereme's Jet pulled off 1:19.3 in his time trail.

I'd say, he needs to run a 52 and change half for a REASONABLE shot.

grandmaster · 08-19-2008, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by irishnip

he could be much bettter with macdonnell off him...the butcher of woodbine...

Why,Mr Nip,I find this statement rather harsh,lol. Jason Brewer he is a convicted butcher,Paul Macdonnell has been on the big stage before,but this responsibility of driving the "horse of horses" seems to have affected his brain,I think the big drivers psyche him out,he assumed those horses were dead on the lead in the Med Pace,he was wrong. If they write a manual titled"how to lose on possibly the greatest horse ever" he would write the forward. Not only is he affected(and dont think he doesnt have a big say in the planning of this horse's agenda), the connections feel that they will try and avoid those drivers any where they can,this cheapens the horse's reputation. It's obvious to me how good this horse is,but there will always be those nattering nabobs of negativism out there,saying that they cant consider him great because he skipped the Jug ,in particular.
But,thats the way it is!-GM

irishnip · 08-19-2008, 06:13 PM

when on the big stage at the meadowlands his drive was arrogant and "rockin ronnie' took him took school ... he's a life long friend of mcgrath and that's why he has the drive....like ledford on eternal cammnation.....just my ranting.......imagine if pierce or campbell had driven her...

grandmaster · 08-20-2008, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by irishnip

when on the big stage at the meadowlands his drive was arrogant and "rockin ronnie' took him took school ... he's a life long friend of mcgrath and that's why he has the drive....like ledford on eternal cammnation.....just my ranting.......imagine if pierce or campbell had driven her...

I hear ya Nip,I think Paul helped pick out the horse and has a piece of the ownership,Paul is a very good driver,but choked that night for sure. When you have the best,you dictate the terms of the race,plain and simple ,he screwed up-GM

The Giss · 08-22-2008, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by johnav

Time Trial Record, now that would really bring people back to Harness Racing. The last time a Time Trial meant something was when Dan Patch ran them.

In this day and age, a time trial would have no credibility. imo. Has to be in a race to be "legit."

johnav · 08-22-2008, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Giss

In this day and age, a time trial would have no credibility. imo. Has to be in a race to be "legit."

I agree, was trying to be sarcastic.

ed584 · 08-25-2008, 07:22 AM

I think a match race at the Red Mile between SBSW & Art official would serve the same purpose as a time trial. There both in unbelievable condition and one of the two will surely hold a much lowered overall time. It could be interesting and the new record would be respected as apposed to a prompted time trial.

Hoberz · 08-25-2008, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ed584

I think a match race at the Red Mile between SBSW & Art official would serve the same purpose as a time trial. There both in unbelievable condition and one of the two will surely hold a much lowered overall time. It could be interesting and the new record would be respected as apposed to a prompted time trial.

They're better off racing together in the same division in the Tattersalls @ Red Mile.

grandmaster · 09-23-2008, 02:21 PM

so you have the best horse born in the last 20 years,and you only race him 20 some odds times,why?

You skip the Jug,knowing you will get your azz handed to you,if you dont go,why do you do that?

The horse is good enough to have won some gimme money in some races without breaking a sweat,he skips races,leaving millions on the table?

He has the fall to create a race legacy for this colt,what happens if it rains,or he stubs his toe,or worse he is so lightly raced he get beat?

08-18-2008, 06:44 PM	#1 (permalink)
grandmaster Status: Grade II Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,541	somebeachsomewhere Anybody see the massive effort in the Confederation Cup,this horse is very special. Video can be seen on Standardbred Canada.com under news,A world record of 149.2 on a 1/2 mile,last half in 54. How about Chester yesterday,great card,any comments on the accident? Gm

08-18-2008, 08:57 PM	#4 (permalink)
grandmaster Status: Grade II Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,541	here are some good stories,with video Deweycheatumnhowe Tops Hambo/BC Poll August 18, 2008 : The undefeated trotting terror, Deweycheatumnhowe, continues to hold down the top spot in the 2008 Hambletonian/Breeders Crown Standardbred Poll, which was released earlier today by Harness Racing Communications..... read on Badlands Nitro Favoured In Jug Pool #2 August 18, 2008 : The second of three pools on the 2008 Future Wager for the Little Brown Jug is fast approaching, with wagering set to get underway at 12 p.m. on Thursday, AuArt Official Supplemented To Cane Pace August 18, 2008 : Harness Racing Communications has reported that the connections of Meadowlands Pace winner Art Official will supplement the colt to the Cane Pace at Freehold Raceway..... read ongust 21 through 11:30 p.m. Sunday, August 24..... read on Manzi Hospitalized Following Spill August 18, 2008 : Driver Catello Manzi, injured in a multi-horse racing spill yesterday at Chester Downs, remains hospitalized as of Monday morning at Crozer-Chester Medical Center with a broken clavicle and fractured ribs, according to his..... read on Somebeachsomewhere In World Record 1:49.2 August 17, 2008 : A monstrous performance from Somebeachsomewhere and driver Paul MacDonell established a new world record of 1:49.2 in the $493,000 final of Sunday's 32nd edition of the Confederation Cup at Flamboro Downs..... read on Super Stakes Sunday Completed At Chester August 17, 2008 : It was billed as "Pennsylvania harness racing's richest day", and by all measures, it lived up to expectations..... read on Gold Cup & Saucer To Pownal Bay Matt August 17, 2008 : With an electrifying stretch drive that set Prince Edward Island abuzz, Pownal Bay Matt and trainer-driver Earl Smith upset the field and captured this year's $60,000 Gold Cup & Saucer at Charlottetown Driving Park Entertainment Centre..... read on

08-18-2008, 10:34 PM	#6 (permalink)
Hoberz Status: Grade III Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 647	The question is, are they going to take the record in a race or time trial? The date would be either Sept 27 (Bluegrass) or Oct 4 (Tattersalls). He'd need to run 1:18 for a real shot at 1:45 mile. Also, what is he going to run in September? There are no stakes aside from the LBJ. If he wants to break the world record on a 5/8th track, where/what race would it be? There is an OSS Final at Rideau on Oct 4 (which is unlikely due to Red Mile), and another at Windsor on Oct 28. I believe it could be a simple race or the Progress/Matron at Dover, the speed wouldn't be faster in the fall. __________________

08-19-2008, 08:08 AM	#7 (permalink)
johnav Status: Grade III Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Hazlet, NJ Posts: 742	Time Trial Record, now that would really bring people back to Harness Racing. The last time a Time Trial meant something was when Dan Patch ran them. __________________ Coming Down to the wire.....

08-19-2008, 08:35 AM	#8 (permalink)
grandmaster Status: Grade II Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,541	MacGrath statement MacGrath Confident For World Record August 19, 2008 Somebeachsomewhere's co-owning trainer, Brent MacGrath, has gone on the record as saying that he has high hopes that the champion Mach Three colt will break Cambest's 1:46.1 World Record at the Red Mile this fall. "I am confident that Somebeachsomewhere will break Cambest's record of 1:46.1 when he races at the Red Mile," MacGrath told Doug Harness in a story published today in the Truro Daily News. MacGrath stated that in order to have Somebeachsomewhere in top form for the Red Mile's stakes event, he will not have his pupil participate in the Little Brown Jug. "We are aiming this horse to break Cambest's World Record," MacGrath explained. "I don't think it would be fair to the horse to race him in the Jug and expect him to be ready for a world record performance 10 days later." In the Truro Daily News article, MacGrath commented on 'The Beach's' World Record 1:49.2 clocking in Flamboro Downs' Confederation Cup this past Sunday. He also said that The Beach will next see action at the upcoming Simcoe Stakes at Mohawk Racetrack (September 6). To read the Truro Daily News article in its entirety, click here. (With files from the Truro Daily News) Related Story Somebeachsomewhere In World Record 1:49.2

08-18-2008, 08:32 PM	#2 (permalink)
ed584 Status: Grade III Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 443	The connections were against running in the Jug. They want to take the all age world record at the Red mile and are concerned 2 tough heats could be to much that soon after Delaware. I now this animal has nothing to prove to me. But what about the early wager players on the jug field. About a week ago Mcgrath said his plans were to skip the Jug... Are they all screwed that played the big favorite?(I don`t play these pools) Or Did the confederate cup change there minds about going at least 2 heats on a 1/2 mile track?

08-19-2008, 03:05 PM	#11 (permalink)
TDN MAN Status: Optional Claimer Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 142	At least in the time trial he couldn't get parked 3 wide in 119 and change

08-19-2008, 05:40 PM	#12 (permalink)
irishnip Status: Super Horse Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: mass. Posts: 7,802	he could be much bettter with macdonnell off him...the butcher of woodbine... __________________ "the truth is never far behind"... "some people possess talent, others are possessed by it"...

08-19-2008, 06:13 PM	#15 (permalink)
irishnip Status: Super Horse Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: mass. Posts: 7,802	when on the big stage at the meadowlands his drive was arrogant and "rockin ronnie' took him took school ... he's a life long friend of mcgrath and that's why he has the drive....like ledford on eternal cammnation.....just my ranting.......imagine if pierce or campbell had driven her... __________________ "the truth is never far behind"... "some people possess talent, others are possessed by it"...

08-25-2008, 07:22 AM	#19 (permalink)
ed584 Status: Grade III Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 443	I think a match race at the Red Mile between SBSW & Art official would serve the same purpose as a time trial. There both in unbelievable condition and one of the two will surely hold a much lowered overall time. It could be interesting and the new record would be respected as apposed to a prompted time trial.

09-23-2008, 02:21 PM	#21 (permalink)
grandmaster Status: Grade II Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,541	conspiracy theories so you have the best horse born in the last 20 years,and you only race him 20 some odds times,why? You skip the Jug,knowing you will get your azz handed to you,if you dont go,why do you do that? The horse is good enough to have won some gimme money in some races without breaking a sweat,he skips races,leaving millions on the table? He has the fall to create a race legacy for this colt,what happens if it rains,or he stubs his toe,or worse he is so lightly raced he get beat?

09-23-2008, 04:29 PM	#22 (permalink)
ed584 Status: Grade III