FAVRE TRADED TO JETS - Trackchampion Handicapping Contests For Horse Bettors

ARSIGNMAN · 08-07-2008, 06:22 AM

Brett Favre was traded last night to the Jets for a 4th round pick .

irishnip · 08-07-2008, 08:37 AM

b-r-e-t..brett,brett,brett...thank god for the pga....

turfnsport · 08-07-2008, 09:10 AM

Is the drama over? What is SportCenter going to talk about for the rest of the year?

I hope he pulls his groin.

alysheba88 · 08-07-2008, 11:45 AM

Not a Farve or Jet fan but great move by Jets. On many levels.

As Giant fan there are side benefits. Less attention on Giants. Can play under the radar a little more

***Slew*** · 08-07-2008, 04:41 PM

Favre had some bad years there when the Packers weren't a very good team. 2005-2006. Most thought he was done. I think Favre really shined on a VERY good team in '07. Good running game. Good defense. Good O-line. I think a lot of QBs would have taken their game up several notches on that team.

I don't see Favre having anything remotely close to the year he had last season on the Jets. I see him going back to his 05-06 version. At his age, and his need for "swashbuckling" you have to have to be good in other areas to compensate. And sometimes that doesn't matter.........i.e. NFC Championship.

But, hey, you never know. The Jets team as a whole could be a lot better this year. (Put that in for Toga)

bbob1972 · 08-07-2008, 07:04 PM

What QB ever goes to a new team and plays great in their first year?

irishnip · 08-07-2008, 07:08 PM

jim plunkett

alysheba88 · 08-07-2008, 07:12 PM

Joe Montana

Craig Morton maybe? Cant remember if Broncos went to bowl his first year think so

bbob1972 · 08-07-2008, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by irishnip

jim plunkett

1976 first year for San Fran he sucked.

1979 first year for the Raiders he played in only 4 games.

***Slew*** · 08-07-2008, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bbob1972

What QB ever goes to a new team and plays great in their first year?

You might be being sarcastic.

Best young one I can think of....
Brees-New Orleans

Old "washed up" QB's changing teams that were either serviceable or very good their first year.
Montana-Chiefs
McNair-Ravens
Jeff Gracia-Eagles
Jeff Garcia-Bucs
Drew Bledsoe-Bills
Drew Bledsoe-Dallas

bbob1972 · 08-07-2008, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by alysheba88

Joe Montana

Craig Morton maybe? Cant remember if Broncos went to bowl his first year think so

Montana hardly did great his first or second season in KC. Actually statistically speaking he had his 3rd and 4th lowest qb ratings of his entire 15 year career.

bbob1972 · 08-07-2008, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Slew

You might be being sarcastic.

Best young one I can think of....
Brees-New Orleans

Old "washed up" QB's changing teams that were either serviceable or very good their first year.
Montana-Chiefs
McNair-Ravens
Jeff Gracia-Eagles
Jeff Garcia-Bucs
Drew Bledsoe-Bills
Drew Bledsoe-Dallas

I think you are thinking more of the teams success or maybe your definition of great is different than mine.

Montana-already explained
McNair-3000yrds 16tds 14int 82.5 rating
Garcia (Eagles) Back-up played in only 8 games starting 6.
Garcia (Bucs) Good year with 13 starts, wouldn't call it a great year. Huge failure in Det. and Cleveland.
Bledsoe- both were good years.

We aren't talking about how good the team did, we are talking about a QB's performance their first year with a new team. You just don't sign on and come in and rip up the league with a new team at the qb position. New terminology, totally different offensive schemes and timing with the wr's aren't learned in 3 to 6 weeks of training camp.

Oh yeah, Drew Brees is the only QB you listed that I would agree had a GREAT first year with a new team.

***Slew*** · 08-07-2008, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by bbob1972

I think you are thinking more of the teams success or maybe your definition of great is different than mine.

Montana-already explained
McNair-3000yrds 16tds 14int 82.5 rating
Garcia (Eagles) Back-up played in only 8 games starting 6.
Garcia (Bucs) Good year with 13 starts, wouldn't call it a great year. Huge failure in Det. and Cleveland.
Bledsoe- both were good years.

We aren't talking about how good the team did, we are talking about a QB's performance their first year with a new team. You just don't sign on and come in and rip up the league with a new team at the qb position. New terminology, totally different offensive schemes and timing with the wr's aren't learned in 3 to 6 weeks of training camp.

Oh yeah, Drew Brees is the only QB you listed that I would agree had a GREAT first year with a new team.

I am just looking at QBs who performed better than the year before with their old team. "Played great" is sort of relative to the player. It's going to mean someting different for Jeff Garcia than it is for Favre, statistically. And it's obvious that Montana was an old man on his last leg, which I think makes his years in KC that much more impressive........"great" relative to his age. Also don't forget that they played Marty ball all year and just handed it to Allen most of the time. When Montana was called on he delivered in some pretty tough spots. I'll never forget that Denver-KC Monday Night game. Might have been his second season in KC. Unreal.

Also, Favre's situation is different than the others on the list as he's coming off a career year. How many players who finished second in MVP voting was on a different team the next year? Probably the closest would be Brees. Most on the list were coming off mediocre seasons with their former team and took it up a couple of notches on their new one.

Masterquick · 08-07-2008, 07:52 PM

Eric Crouch should make a comeback. BTW, how do you retire from the NFL without ever playing for a team? Still scratching my head over that one.

bbob1972 · 08-07-2008, 08:02 PM

Farve's 2008 numbers with the Jets.

3700yrds 20tds 20ints

***Slew*** · 08-07-2008, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bbob1972

Farve's 2008 numbers with the Jets.

3700yrds 20tds 20ints

Yeah. Have a feeling the INTs going to be high. Last year the Pack was so much better defensively and in the running game he didn't have to sling it quite a much, so his TD/INT ratio much improved. But remember when they went into Dallas and instead of running the ball and playing the '07 Pack's game, Brett lost his mind and came out and just started throwing it into double coverage like a moron. I think there are going to be a few games like that this season for the Jets

NVEmil · 08-07-2008, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by alysheba88

Joe Montana

Craig Morton maybe? Cant remember if Broncos went to bowl his first year think so

Yes and Yes......however their D was so dominant Morton only had to merely manage the game and stay healthy.

Super Bowl, the Cowboys "crushed" him into submission and the backup had to come in.

I read an article today that really painted Farve as an antagonist in this whole thing. I would really like to know at what point Farve got miffed because I believe he pulled a Seau and knew he was going to play in '08 before the tears dried.

Great player.....too many INT's though.

NVEmil · 08-07-2008, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Slew

Yeah. Have a feeling the INTs going to be high. Last year the Pack was so much better defensively and in the running game he didn't have to sling it quite a much, so his TD/INT ratio much improved. But remember when they went into Dallas and instead of running the ball and playing the '07 Pack's game, Brett lost his mind and came out and just started throwing it into double coverage like a moron. I think there are going to be a few games like that this season for the Jets

hmmm. Yeah.

bbob1972 · 08-07-2008, 08:21 PM

Poor Chad Pennington got released before the ink was dry on the trade papers.

bbob1972 · 08-08-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by alysheba88

Craig Morton maybe? Cant remember if Broncos went to bowl his first year think so

They lost to Dallas in the Super Bowl. The '77 Broncos defense was awesome but Morton's number were nothing short of pedestrian.

alysheba88 · 08-08-2008, 05:24 PM

How about Randall Cunningham with Vikes? Guy went from out of football no less

What about Chris Chandler with Falcons?

bbob1972 · 08-08-2008, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by alysheba88

How about Randall Cunningham with Vikes? Guy went from out of football no less

44-88 501yrds 6tds 4int in 6 games. Is that great?

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Originally Posted by alysheba88

What about Chris Chandler with Falcons?

He had a very good first year with Atlanta and an even better second season.

I'm not going to put up a defense on anymore QB's listed on this thread. Again, QB's don't have great 1st seasons with a new team, especially with just 3 weeks of training camp. People are just throwing out names now, no one has listed a QB that had a great first year on this thread with the exception of Drew Brees.

08-07-2008, 06:22 AM	#1 (permalink)
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alysheba88 Status: Super Horse Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,849	Not a Farve or Jet fan but great move by Jets. On many levels. As Giant fan there are side benefits. Less attention on Giants. Can play under the radar a little more __________________ Leverage is freedom

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*Slew* Status: Administrator Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 14,071	Favre had some bad years there when the Packers weren't a very good team. 2005-2006. Most thought he was done. I think Favre really shined on a VERY good team in '07. Good running game. Good defense. Good O-line. I think a lot of QBs would have taken their game up several notches on that team. I don't see Favre having anything remotely close to the year he had last season on the Jets. I see him going back to his 05-06 version. At his age, and his need for "swashbuckling" you have to have to be good in other areas to compensate. And sometimes that doesn't matter.........i.e. NFC Championship. But, hey, you never know. The Jets team as a whole could be a lot better this year. (Put that in for Toga) __________________ "The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere." - Thomas Jefferson, February 22, 1787

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turfnsport Status: Grade I Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 2,688	Is the drama over? What is SportCenter going to talk about for the rest of the year? I hope he pulls his groin.

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bbob1972 Status: Grade I Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Northern Ky Posts: 3,203	What QB ever goes to a new team and plays great in their first year?

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alysheba88 Status: Super Horse Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,849	Joe Montana Craig Morton maybe? Cant remember if Broncos went to bowl his first year think so __________________ Leverage is freedom

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Masterquick Status: Hall of Famer Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: The Delta Posts: 21,229	Eric Crouch should make a comeback. BTW, how do you retire from the NFL without ever playing for a team? Still scratching my head over that one.

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bbob1972 Status: Grade I Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Northern Ky Posts: 3,203	Farve's 2008 numbers with the Jets. 3700yrds 20tds 20ints

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bbob1972 Status: Grade I Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Northern Ky Posts: 3,203	Poor Chad Pennington got released before the ink was dry on the trade papers.

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alysheba88 Status: Super Horse Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,849	How about Randall Cunningham with Vikes? Guy went from out of football no less What about Chris Chandler with Falcons? __________________ Leverage is freedom