Cliff Lee - Trackchampion Handicapping Contests For Horse Bettors

JimmyQ · 08-26-2008, 07:48 PM

he will move to 19-2 after this evening with a sub 2.50 ERA on a 64-67 club...what a turn around from a guy sent to the minors last year. I have to give him all the credit in the world. Maybe last year's experience humbled him and made him into what he is today.

JimmyQ

Pick 3 Guru · 08-26-2008, 08:04 PM

Nailed a parlay hard Indians -157 with the Blue Jays -107. Got almost 2/1

Lee to Halladay and 2/1??????

a1timer · 08-26-2008, 08:50 PM

Nice hit, P3.

It may have humbled him or at least taught him to control his emotions. I always loved his competitive drive. He is not as demonstrative, but you can still see it in his eyes.

Of course, there has not been too much to get upset about either.

.500 seemed impossible a couple weeks ago.

Guitt, J. Lewis, and these new pitchers have been amazing lately.

ARSIGNMAN · 08-27-2008, 08:00 AM

Lee is pitching fantastic this year. He should win the CY Young.

bullring · 08-27-2008, 01:33 PM

Halladay is a beasssssssssttttttt.

a1timer · 08-27-2008, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bullring

Halladay is a beasssssssssttttttt.

You know, if Lee wins it will be because of what the Tribe bats did against Halladay.

a1timer · 09-01-2008, 08:26 AM

Well, Slew, did you clean up with the Tribe during their streak?

Cliff goes for #20 tonight. Don't bet so don't know line. If you go with typical C-town luck, then he is a go against.

I say he does it. His demeanor has been so solid all year. And it's only Sept. 1 so not so much pressure.

***Slew*** · 09-01-2008, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by a1timer

Well, Slew, did you clean up with the Tribe during their streak?

Cliff goes for #20 tonight. Don't bet so don't know line. If you go with typical C-town luck, then he is a go against.

I say he does it. His demeanor has been so solid all year. And it's only Sept. 1 so not so much pressure.

Finally made some money back on them on a few games the past few weeks. Big one in Detroit when they were better than 2/1.

Cleveland currently -170 avg price for tonight's game.......pass

a1timer · 09-01-2008, 07:43 PM

Well, I remember Gaylord Perry but not the day he won #20.

So basically this is my first 20-game winner as a fan.

It is even better that he persevered through such a low last year. One year ago today he was recalled from the minors.

Way to go, Cliff.

JimmyQ · 09-02-2008, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by a1timer

Well, I remember Gaylord Perry but not the day he won #20.

So basically this is my first 20-game winner as a fan.

It is even better that he persevered through such a low last year. One year ago today he was recalled from the minors.

Way to go, Cliff.

Amazing and all the more reason he should win the Cy Young...I know some are saying K-Rod...but you go 20-2 on a team with no offense and who has only 67 wins....all the more reason he deserves it. ...OUTSTANDING!!

JimmyQ

***Slew*** · 09-03-2008, 12:48 AM

Cliff Lee for Cy Young and it's not even close

He's gotten some good fortune, and a guy like Halladay has gotten unlucky in spots, but them's the breaks.

bullring · 09-03-2008, 10:13 AM

I'd argue against Lee if he wasn't leading the AL in ERA.

***Slew*** · 09-03-2008, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by bullring

I'd argue against Lee if he wasn't leading the AL in ERA.

CC, who many people are saying is the "real" NL MVP, was 6-8 on the same team. Lee got some more run support than CC, and has been around when the bats finally got hot, but still extremely impressive to go 20-2 on this team.

Glenwood Lane United · 09-03-2008, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Slew

CC, who many people are saying is the "real" NL MVP, was 6-8 on the same team. Lee got some more run support than CC, and has been around when the bats finally got hot, but still extremely impressive to go 20-2 on this team.

It'd be impressive to go 20-2 on the '27 Yankees or on the 1906 Cubs.

***Slew*** · 09-03-2008, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenwood Lane United

It'd be impressive to go 20-2 on the '27 Yankees or on the 1906 Cubs.

Yeah no joke.

bullring · 09-03-2008, 01:14 PM

you forgot the '92 jays

a1timer · 09-03-2008, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Slew

Cliff Lee for Cy Young and it's not even close

He's gotten some good fortune, and a guy like Halladay has gotten unlucky in spots, but them's the breaks.

I don't know if you are going by overall avg. run support or not, but Cliff has 5 no decisions and in 4 of those he gave up 1 run or less.

***Slew*** · 09-03-2008, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by a1timer

I don't know if you are going by overall avg. run support or not, but Cliff has 5 no decisions and in 4 of those he gave up 1 run or less.

Yeah overall average run support just think it's amazing the Cleveland bats and bullpen didn't let Lee down more often during that awful stretch. And when I say "unlucky", Halladay has had tougher starts than anybody -- especially on the road. Pitched against Tampa and Boston like 8 times and almost all tight games. Yet he's only lost five more games with a similiar ERA, pitched some real gems at places like Anaheim, and think he could easily be a 20 game winner too.

OK, I realize I'm building a case for Bullring lol

Not trying to take anything away from Lee though. He is the AL winner.

JimmyQ · 09-03-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by a1timer

I don't know if you are going by overall avg. run support or not, but Cliff has 5 no decisions and in 4 of those he gave up 1 run or less.

That is amazing...I hadn't heard that stat...thanks for sharing.....Imagine if CC were 13-0 for us......we'd be heading back to the Fall Classic. So Frustrating.....the team has relaxed and playing good ball now that expectations have been dropped. The pattern shows next year is the year to bet on the Tribe!!

JimmyQ

08-26-2008, 07:48 PM	#1 (permalink)
JimmyQ Status: Grade II Join Date: May 2006 Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 1,937	Cliff Lee he will move to 19-2 after this evening with a sub 2.50 ERA on a 64-67 club...what a turn around from a guy sent to the minors last year. I have to give him all the credit in the world. Maybe last year's experience humbled him and made him into what he is today. JimmyQ

08-26-2008, 08:04 PM	#2 (permalink)
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08-26-2008, 08:50 PM	#3 (permalink)
a1timer Status: Grade I Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Buckeye land Posts: 2,150	Nice hit, P3. It may have humbled him or at least taught him to control his emotions. I always loved his competitive drive. He is not as demonstrative, but you can still see it in his eyes. Of course, there has not been too much to get upset about either. .500 seemed impossible a couple weeks ago. Guitt, J. Lewis, and these new pitchers have been amazing lately. __________________ “It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ.-Patrick Henry

08-27-2008, 01:33 PM	#5 (permalink)
bullring Status: Super Horse Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 5,595	Halladay is a beasssssssssttttttt. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQz7w...eature=related

09-01-2008, 08:26 AM	#7 (permalink)
a1timer Status: Grade I Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Buckeye land Posts: 2,150	Well, Slew, did you clean up with the Tribe during their streak? Cliff goes for #20 tonight. Don't bet so don't know line. If you go with typical C-town luck, then he is a go against. I say he does it. His demeanor has been so solid all year. And it's only Sept. 1 so not so much pressure. __________________ “It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ.-Patrick Henry

08-27-2008, 08:00 AM	#4 (permalink)
ARSIGNMAN Status: Super Horse Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: SPRINGDALE,AR. 72762 Posts: 5,605	Lee is pitching fantastic this year. He should win the CY Young.

09-01-2008, 07:43 PM	#9 (permalink)
a1timer Status: Grade I Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Buckeye land Posts: 2,150	Well, I remember Gaylord Perry but not the day he won #20. So basically this is my first 20-game winner as a fan. It is even better that he persevered through such a low last year. One year ago today he was recalled from the minors. Way to go, Cliff. __________________ “It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ.-Patrick Henry

09-03-2008, 12:48 AM	#11 (permalink)
*Slew* Status: Administrator Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 14,071	Cliff Lee for Cy Young and it's not even close He's gotten some good fortune, and a guy like Halladay has gotten unlucky in spots, but them's the breaks. __________________ "The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere." - Thomas Jefferson, February 22, 1787

09-03-2008, 10:13 AM	#12 (permalink)
bullring Status: Super Horse Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 5,595	I'd argue against Lee if he wasn't leading the AL in ERA. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQz7w...eature=related

09-03-2008, 01:14 PM	#16 (permalink)
bullring Status: Super Horse Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 5,595	you forgot the '92 jays __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQz7w...eature=related