Charlie Manuel proves you can be retarded and still be a World Series winning manager

***Slew*** · 08-15-2009, 04:16 PM

Are you kidding me? WTF is he still using Lidge? Most of the saves he's gotten he has been life and death to get, including yesterday. 8 or 9 blown, I lost track. Today he blows a 3-2 lead in about 3 minutes, with a throwing error for good measure, and loses the game 4-3. I'm sorry if it sounds harsh, but it has to be some kind of mental condition on Manuel's part.

irishnip · 08-15-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Slew

Are you kidding me? WTF is he still using Lidge? Most of the saves he's gotten he has been life and death to get, including yesterday. 8 or 9 blown, I lost track. Today he blows a 3-2 lead in about 3 minutes, with a throwing error for good measure, and loses the game 4-3. I'm sorry if it sounds harsh, but it has to be some kind of mental condition on Manuel's part.

the phillies caught a tampa team that had won the world series against the red sox...while it's in the books philly was fortunate last year just like the giants were...but that's why they play the game...i didn't say lucky, i said fortunate..

cre8flow · 08-15-2009, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Slew

Are you kidding me? WTF is he still using Lidge? Most of the saves he's gotten he has been life and death to get, including yesterday. 8 or 9 blown, I lost track. Today he blows a 3-2 lead in about 3 minutes, with a throwing error for good measure, and loses the game 4-3. I'm sorry if it sounds harsh, but it has to be some kind of mental condition on Manuel's part.

danny ozark or maual versus dallas greene-huge mismatch

***Slew*** · 08-15-2009, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by irishnip

the phillies caught a tampa team that had won the world series against the red sox...while it's in the books philly was fortunate last year just like the giants were...but that's why they play the game...i didn't say lucky, i said fortunate..

It was a combo of Tampa being flat at the wrong time and Philly being sharp at the right time, but that had nothing to do with Manuel....he is so inconsequential to his team's success it's ridiculous, yet the few spots he can make a difference he chooses to chew cud.

cre8flow · 08-15-2009, 07:07 PM

he continues to say

we need him back

guy couldnt get a AA player out then he goes 41-41

might only need a great trainer/doctor

Ocala Mike · 08-15-2009, 07:20 PM

Don't look now, but I think those are the footsteps of the Marlins and Braves behind you. Phils could be this year's Mets unless they solve their bullpen woes. Interesting how Lidge and K-Rod are both imploding; kind of makes you wonder how Mariano Rivera keeps on keeping on for the Yanks.

***Slew*** · 08-15-2009, 09:12 PM

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Don't look now, but I think those are the footsteps of the Marlins and Braves behind you. Phils could be this year's Mets unless they solve their bullpen woes. Interesting how Lidge and K-Rod are both imploding; kind of makes you wonder how Mariano Rivera keeps on keeping on for the Yanks.

I wouldn't go that far. Phillies still much better than those two, just could do without the 8 ERA closer. Trade him to the Nats, he'd actually bring their collective bullpen ERA down

mfactor · 08-15-2009, 09:29 PM

Right now my stuff is as good as it's been in two years," Lidge said. "I'm trying to go after guys. That ball [Infante] hit, he didn't hit it good but it found a hole. It's been happening. That's just the way it's been going."

Lidge, who has a 7.27 ERA, acknowledged he couldn't blame the loss only on bad breaks.

"I'm mad at myself for throwing the ball away," he said. "I hurried the throw. You make your own luck in this game. I don't believe in bad luck."

Phillies manager Charlie Manuel called Lidge "our closer" and said "we've got confidence in him."

"At the same time, we definitely want to win our games, of course," Manuel said.

***Slew*** · 08-15-2009, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mfactor

Right now my stuff is as good as it's been in two years," Lidge said. "I'm trying to go after guys. That ball [Infante] hit, he didn't hit it good but it found a hole. It's been happening. That's just the way it's been going."

Lidge, who has a 7.27 ERA, acknowledged he couldn't blame the loss only on bad breaks.

"I'm mad at myself for throwing the ball away," he said. "I hurried the throw. You make your own luck in this game. I don't believe in bad luck."

Phillies manager Charlie Manuel called Lidge "our closer" and said "we've got confidence in him."

"At the same time, we definitely want to win our games, of course," Manuel said.

Lidge was never going to match his '08 season, you have to be extremely lucky to have 0 blown saves. And I'm all for riding it out -- baseball is a streaky game. But it's not just about him getting hit, he's also walking people (sometimes on 4 or 5 pitches) he should be getting out. On Thursday night he walked a .148 hitter in the 9th spot with a man in scoring position to get to the top of the order. This kind of ineffectiveness has been going on all year, not just a few games.

mfactor · 08-15-2009, 11:19 PM

I don't think he is going to turn it around and Madsen can't close, they better figure something out.

***Slew*** · 08-15-2009, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mfactor

I don't think he is going to turn it around and Madsen can't close, they better figure something out.

Agreed I don't think Madson is the long term solution, but it's almost impossible at this point he isn't an improvement.

mfactor · 08-15-2009, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Slew

Agreed I don't think Madson is the long term solution, but it's almost impossible at this point he isn't an improvement.

Yea put Lidge on the DL and give Madsen another shot....had Zona tonight, can't believe they came back and won.

***Slew*** · 08-15-2009, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mfactor

Yea put Lidge on the DL and give Madsen another shot....had Zona tonight, can't believe they came back and won.

Me too. Made up for Philly.

***Slew*** · 08-16-2009, 12:08 AM

From last year, "Manuel Magic!"

cre8flow · 08-16-2009, 04:38 AM

charlie manual coaching the 1980 phillies wins the world series like i am an astronaut and i landed the lunar module on the moon

cre8flow · 08-16-2009, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by irishnip

the phillies caught a tampa team that had won the world series against the red sox...while it's in the books philly was fortunate last year just like the giants were...but that's why they play the game...i didn't say lucky, i said fortunate..

how many playoff games did this team lose

entire playoff record

11-3

cant imagine too many teams have that record in the playoffs

mfactor · 08-16-2009, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Slew

From last year, "Manuel Magic!"

LOL

Breakage · 08-16-2009, 11:46 AM

Jolly Cholly is a handicap. I posted they may have won 10 more games without him last year.

That is the worst byproduct of the WS win,
he is now a permanent feature.

and BTW the latest Myers incident is hilarious,
first guy says kid hit him in the eye with a ball,
then says he fell out of his truck,

truth probably =wife beat the crap out of him.

Breakage · 08-16-2009, 11:54 AM

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the phillies caught a tampa team that had won the world series against the red sox...while it's in the books philly was fortunate last year just like the giants were...but that's why they play the game...i didn't say lucky, i said fortunate..

Fortunate? They had two MVPS a slew of all stars, the best closer in the game and the second best left handed starter in the game-

It was the best Phillie's offensive line up and closer in the history of the franchise,
the truth is they should have won 10more games than they did,
and the WS odds should have reflected that.

mfactor · 08-16-2009, 12:09 PM

Everything fell into place for the Phils last year,a perfect storm if you will just like it does for every championship tean.

irishnip · 08-16-2009, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by cre8flow

how many playoff games did this team lose

entire playoff record

11-3

cant imagine too many teams have that record in the playoffs

just like a horse race the teams the phillies beat before tampa were allowance types..cupcakes...hey they won that's all that counts..

mfactor · 08-16-2009, 05:04 PM

Playing the Phils tonight....if they go.

mfactor · 08-16-2009, 09:14 PM

If I see freakin Lidge I'll be standing out on a Ledge.

***Slew*** · 08-23-2009, 01:51 PM

Needed a miracle triple play to save game today. Watch highlights. Was a miracle Bruntlett was standing there.

cre8flow · 08-23-2009, 04:48 PM

how many errors in that inning

3 maybe

so not totally pitchers fault

***Slew*** · 08-23-2009, 06:24 PM

Yeah. Not really his fault any of those guys were on, but you know what was coming from there

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mfactor · 08-25-2009, 07:03 PM

Lidge Time Slew!!!!!!

***Slew*** · 08-25-2009, 07:13 PM

Single, Wild Pitch, Single, Homerun....

Blown save against the Pirates.

mfactor · 08-25-2009, 07:13 PM

LOL...They get 2 in the top of the 9th and Lidge comes in and does his thing...too much.

mfactor · 08-25-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Slew

Single, Wild Pitch, Single, Homerun....

Blown save against the Pirates.

Shouldn't they have gone for Wagner?

08-15-2009, 04:16 PM	#1 (permalink)
*Slew* Status: Administrator Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 16,223	Charlie Manuel proves you can be retarded and still be a World Series winning manager Are you kidding me? WTF is he still using Lidge? Most of the saves he's gotten he has been life and death to get, including yesterday. 8 or 9 blown, I lost track. Today he blows a 3-2 lead in about 3 minutes, with a throwing error for good measure, and loses the game 4-3. I'm sorry if it sounds harsh, but it has to be some kind of mental condition on Manuel's part. __________________ How much you wanna make a bet I can throw a football over them mountains?

08-15-2009, 07:20 PM	#6 (permalink)
Ocala Mike Status: Grade II Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 1,419	Charlie Manuel proves you can be retarded and still be a World Series winning manager Don't look now, but I think those are the footsteps of the Marlins and Braves behind you. Phils could be this year's Mets unless they solve their bullpen woes. Interesting how Lidge and K-Rod are both imploding; kind of makes you wonder how Mariano Rivera keeps on keeping on for the Yanks.

08-15-2009, 09:29 PM	#8 (permalink)
mfactor Status: Super Horse Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 8,334	Right now my stuff is as good as it's been in two years," Lidge said. "I'm trying to go after guys. That ball [Infante] hit, he didn't hit it good but it found a hole. It's been happening. That's just the way it's been going." Lidge, who has a 7.27 ERA, acknowledged he couldn't blame the loss only on bad breaks. "I'm mad at myself for throwing the ball away," he said. "I hurried the throw. You make your own luck in this game. I don't believe in bad luck." Phillies manager Charlie Manuel called Lidge "our closer" and said "we've got confidence in him." "At the same time, we definitely want to win our games, of course," Manuel said. __________________ I came into the league an 18 year old kid, now I'm a 25 year old man". Yeah right. "I took my moms advice". You mean the same woman who kicked out the rear window of a police car? The same woman who had you at like 15? The same woman who alledgedly had an affair with your teammate? Yeah her judgement is usually spot on....Hook

08-15-2009, 11:19 PM	#10 (permalink)
mfactor Status: Super Horse Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 8,334	I don't think he is going to turn it around and Madsen can't close, they better figure something out. __________________ I came into the league an 18 year old kid, now I'm a 25 year old man". Yeah right. "I took my moms advice". You mean the same woman who kicked out the rear window of a police car? The same woman who had you at like 15? The same woman who alledgedly had an affair with your teammate? Yeah her judgement is usually spot on....Hook

08-16-2009, 12:08 AM	#14 (permalink)
*Slew* Status: Administrator Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 16,223	From last year, "Manuel Magic!" __________________ How much you wanna make a bet I can throw a football over them mountains?

08-15-2009, 07:07 PM	#5 (permalink)
cre8flow Status: Hall of Famer Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 14,302	he continues to say we need him back guy couldnt get a AA player out then he goes 41-41 might only need a great trainer/doctor

08-16-2009, 04:38 AM	#15 (permalink)
cre8flow Status: Hall of Famer Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 14,302	charlie manual coaching the 1980 phillies wins the world series like i am an astronaut and i landed the lunar module on the moon Last edited by cre8flow : 08-16-2009 at 04:41 AM.

08-16-2009, 11:46 AM	#18 (permalink)
Breakage Status: Hall of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 12,281	Jolly Cholly is a handicap. I posted they may have won 10 more games without him last year. That is the worst byproduct of the WS win, he is now a permanent feature. and BTW the latest Myers incident is hilarious, first guy says kid hit him in the eye with a ball, then says he fell out of his truck, truth probably =wife beat the crap out of him. __________________ "An inexhaustible good nature is one of the most precious gifts of heaven, spreading itself like oil over the troubled sea of thought, and keeping the mind smooth and equable in the roughest weather." Washington Irving

08-16-2009, 12:09 PM	#20 (permalink)
mfactor Status: Super Horse Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 8,334	Everything fell into place for the Phils last year,a perfect storm if you will just like it does for every championship tean. __________________ I came into the league an 18 year old kid, now I'm a 25 year old man". Yeah right. "I took my moms advice". You mean the same woman who kicked out the rear window of a police car? The same woman who had you at like 15? The same woman who alledgedly had an affair with your teammate? Yeah her judgement is usually spot on....Hook

08-16-2009, 05:04 PM	#22 (permalink)
mfactor Status: Super Horse Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 8,334	Playing the Phils tonight....if they go. __________________ I came into the league an 18 year old kid, now I'm a 25 year old man". Yeah right. "I took my moms advice". You mean the same woman who kicked out the rear window of a police car? The same woman who had you at like 15? The same woman who alledgedly had an affair with your teammate? Yeah her judgement is usually spot on....Hook

08-16-2009, 09:14 PM	#23 (permalink)
mfactor Status: Super Horse Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 8,334	If I see freakin Lidge I'll be standing out on a Ledge. __________________ I came into the league an 18 year old kid, now I'm a 25 year old man". Yeah right. "I took my moms advice". You mean the same woman who kicked out the rear window of a police car? The same woman who had you at like 15? The same woman who alledgedly had an affair with your teammate? Yeah her judgement is usually spot on....Hook

08-23-2009, 01:51 PM	#24 (permalink)
*Slew* Status: Administrator Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 16,223	Needed a miracle triple play to save game today. Watch highlights. Was a miracle Bruntlett was standing there. __________________ How much you wanna make a bet I can throw a football over them mountains?

08-23-2009, 04:48 PM	#25 (permalink)
cre8flow Status: Hall of Famer Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 14,302	how many errors in that inning 3 maybe so not totally pitchers fault

08-23-2009, 06:24 PM	#26 (permalink)
*Slew* Status: Administrator Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 16,223	Yeah. Not really his fault any of those guys were on, but you know what was coming from there . __________________ How much you wanna make a bet I can throw a football over them mountains?

08-25-2009, 07:03 PM	#27 (permalink)
mfactor Status: Super Horse Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 8,334	Lidge Time Slew!!!!!! __________________ I came into the league an 18 year old kid, now I'm a 25 year old man". Yeah right. "I took my moms advice". You mean the same woman who kicked out the rear window of a police car? The same woman who had you at like 15? The same woman who alledgedly had an affair with your teammate? Yeah her judgement is usually spot on....Hook

08-25-2009, 07:13 PM	#28 (permalink)
*Slew* Status: Administrator Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 16,223	Single, Wild Pitch, Single, Homerun.... Blown save against the Pirates. __________________ How much you wanna make a bet I can throw a football over them mountains?

08-25-2009, 07:13 PM	#29 (permalink)
mfactor Status: Super Horse Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 8,334	LOL...They get 2 in the top of the 9th and Lidge comes in and does his thing...too much. __________________ I came into the league an 18 year old kid, now I'm a 25 year old man". Yeah right. "I took my moms advice". You mean the same woman who kicked out the rear window of a police car? The same woman who had you at like 15? The same woman who alledgedly had an affair with your teammate? Yeah her judgement is usually spot on....Hook